Greetings All: I was wondering how to address some of how this discussion went, so please forgive me if my response comes too late and no one cares any more.
YDL is specifically designed for PowerPC systems. The Cell and other systems (in the future) based upon the Cell, are also members of the PowerPC family. This area of computational effort remains vibrant and powerful, although due to a variety of corporate decisions to which TSS must adapt with, along with everyone else, we are all not in the same market as we were even two or three years ago. In my view as a user, there has to be a whole lot of review and evaluation regarding our respective interests and efforts. The Cell is not merely another incarnation of G5/G4, etc. It is really an incredible leap forward in insight. Many brilliant people are moving forward following either the vision of Intel and associates or IBM and associates. I believe it is very much about what architecture is best for what purpose, but few people can really engage fully at their best capacities matching their skills at the same level as the most talented scientific and engineers employed by these companies. Open source support for these very different designs is not yet, in my view, quite equally balanced or even. There remains a preponderance of open source software available for Intel which for a variety of reasons cannot, or are not allowed to, be recompiled on PowerPC systems. There are always negotiations, potentials and possibilities of this situation changing -- one can await news or attempt to participate in the process whenever possible. Open source as a concept, is very much susceptible to whatever decisions are made at the corporate level. Open source is also very uniquely susceptible to choices made by individuals. If for whatever reason, it is necessary to use Intel systems whereas previously one used YDL, one should remember that YDL is part of the Red Hat family of Linux. One could use Red Hat Linux on any Intel system and feel quite at home however you will not have the advances and processing power which is only uniquely available to Cell and PowerPC systems. As always it is a matter of what understanding one has and the skills one actually possesses to utilize a certain technology or body of technologies to it's maximum capacity. Intel's approach could be expressed as throwing more computer cores at a problem; IBM's approach could be expressed as refining what is actually done with data in analyzing problems demanding massive amounts of data crunching ever more accurately. Perhaps the previous statement is an oversimplification, but I think it works. There maybe a better way of expressing the challenge we each face as users (and perhaps even vendors), but let it be clear that the challenge itself is very real -- as is addressing it successfully. The gauntlet lies at the feet of each one of us. Best to all... Derick On Mar 11, 2007, at 11:48 PM, Steven Didier wrote: > John, Glad to. > I use Parallels and VMware fusion (beta) each of these have varying > degrees emulated hardware acceleration. For example in Parallels Suse > 10. runs flawlessly but less so under VMware while Fedora Core 6 runs > flawlessly under VMware but less so under Parallels. Ubuntu/Kubuntu > 6.10 runs flawlessly on both. If you want to have fullscreen rather > than a window it is now possible to use the GUI display tool without > having to edit the Xorg config file manually. The one downside to all > of this is that if you have moved to the intel Mac Yellow Dog is out > of the question. > Steve > On Mar 11, 2007, at 7:11 PM, John wrote: > >> steven, >> >> i'm responding to your statement: >> >> I still use Linux/Unix (Suse 10.2, Ubuntu 6.10 and >> FreeBSD) in emulation environments on my intel iMac. >> >> what specific kind of emulation environments are you referring to? >> and can you give direction on how others on this list can implement >> them to do the same if they are seeking an easy way to multiboot >> rather than simply dual boot with ydl? >> >> john >> >> ---------------------- >> >> >> Steven Didier wrote: >> >>> Miklos, >>> I have experimented with many Linux distros, including Yellow >>> Dog, in >>> a dual boot environment on my G4 866 MGHz TiPowerbook and then again >>> on a G5 iMac. I still use Linux/Unix (Suse 10.2, Ubuntu 6.10 and >>> FreeBSD) in emulation environments on my intel iMac. >>> YellowDog is a great distro for your iBook but you won't be able to >>> get it to boot off of a usb drive since Apple did not provide >>> support >>> for that method in Open Firmware. It is possible to keep the boot >>> environment (yaboot) in a small partition on your iBooks hard drive >>> and run off the usb drive with the rest of the linux environment. I >>> believe you can search the Ubuntu forums for guidance on the >>> specifics. Or maybe the gurus of this list such as Derrick Centeno >>> can help you. Otherwise I would suggest a firewire drive for the >>> most >>> ease of use on installation. >>> Good luck! >>> Steve Didier >>> >>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 9:23 PM, james van dooren wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi, I am new to MacOs X and I want to dual boot with yellowdog >>>> ppc . >>>> I want to install yellowdog on a usb harddrive. How do I get the >>>> laptop to see usb drive when I boot up the laptop which is an IBook >>>> G4. I have worked with Windows and Linux together now I want to >>>> join >>>> the Mac experience. Can anyone please help? >>>> >>>> Miklos _______________________________________________ yellowdog-newbie mailing list [email protected] http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie
