Yocto Technical Team Minutes, Engineering Sync, for July 7, 2020 archive: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ly8nyhO14kDNnFcW2QskANXW3ZT7QwKC5wWVDg9dDH4/edit
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If any errors or omissions are found, please feel free to reply to this email with any corrections. == attendees == Trevor Woerner, Jan-Simon Möller, Stephen Jolly, Josef Holtzmeyer, Joshua Watt, Trevor Gamblin, Steve Sakoman, Armin Kuster, Scott Murray, Peter Kjellerstedt, Saul Wold, Ross Burton, Richard Purdie, Michael Halstead, Rahul, Vineela?, Bruce Ashfield, Tim Orling, Randy MacLeod, Mathew Zeng, Rob Woolley, Philip Balister, Paul Barker, Khem Raj == notes == - thanks to everyone involved in any way with ELC and DevDay! - still have AB instability - still looking for more maintainers - looking for way to attract and thank contributors - lots of unassigned bugs we’d like to see for 3.2 (see unassigned bugs) == general == RP: happy to have some things fixed in AB, but still issues RP: thanks to everyone involved in ELC and especially the Yocto DevDay Timo: i see the perl update was merged, but it seems like lots of things were dropped (RDEPENDS), so i predict there will still be issues with split-packaging RP: i noticed that too, the AB was all green Timo: we’re probably missing tests Saul: heard a rumor about Stephen Stephen: that i’m retiring? yes, next week. but i’m continuing on as a volunteer with YP Randy: how long at Intel? Stephen: 34.5 years RP: ? licenses are inherited globally, are people using the license package directly? JPEW: we display the generic and specific license because they’re there SS: customers i’ve known have always used just the generic Randy: WR has its own code for analysing the code to pull licenses, but customers appreciate having the generic Peter: we have to go through the code to sort out the 20 different variations on GPLv2, a mess! RP: it’s been pointed out to me that the checksums of the generic license files are not checked, so if there was ever a change in the generic text, there isn’t anything that would alert the users Peter: is it meaningful to use checksums for the generic text? that’s not the same case as the license of some upstream code changing RP: well, if that changes then the task-hash should change which is supposed to case rebuilds etc JPEW: there was a bug filed https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13917 RP: this shouldn’t be happening, but there are probably other “games” going on RP: is anyone using the SPDX class from OE-core? i hope the answer is “no”, i imagine it’s quite broken by now. i have a patch i plan to post Randy: i don’t see WR using it (quick look) Timo: i was looking at patchwork again, is there somewhere we can run a test instance somewhere for testing Michael: vm at digital ocean currently, i can create a staging instance on YP hardware. who else will be using it? Timo: Amber, potentially. i’ll give you an update Michael: i’ll spin up something new, the current is ubuntu 16.04 so it needs an update anyway TW: how did the booth go last week at ELC virtual? Philip Balister: the interface for the booth was clucky, didn’t get any new contacts Timo: i had one interesting contact at the booth, but it didn’t go as well as it could have Josef: not a lot of new folks, got a lot of people contacting me in thanks for the live coding stuff, lots of contacts from the middle-European and south-central Asia, we have lots of contacts in west Europe and NA, but need to develop more in the other areas RP: this would be a good question for the advocacy list Randy: do you know what sort of communication would work best? Josef: lots via linked-in, stack overflow. irc and email are not that popular. lots and lots in twitter! Timo: agree with twitter Timo: what did people think of using slack? TrevorG: hard to know whether to reply in-line or as a thread Philip: feel it’s terrible for open source to use slack (free version loses history, bad optics). gnu radio tried slack, moved away. recommend mattermost JPEW: slack can work if you have the ability to create arbitrary channels (which wasn’t available with the ELC slack) Scott: the mattermost interface has better handling for threads, a “best of both worlds” between slack and irc Timo: gitter (meta-python, etc) works better for me. i agree with Philip that the thread thing Philip: i’d be curious to see a mattermost try RP: matrix might be a good way to bridge both worlds (traditional use irc, younger crowd using other things) Philip: matrix worked well for gnu radio Paul: agree with others that slack wasn’t that great, but think that we should explore other technologies Timo: looking at what Fedora has done, it’d be great to see more integration. e.g. reports from AB reported live Khem: i’ve used matrix and like it, can’t comment on mattermost, i think Fedora is also using discourse to amalgamate email, irc, etc. matrix is nice because you can edit, so the log looks better than irc RP: resources, risk of forking the community (some follow email, some follow A, some follow B) i’d like to have a central dashboard but we need to find resources Paul: people who use a given technology might not be the people to are interested in various aspects of the project Timo: i like the idea of integrating RP: it sounds like it can all be integrated Balister: if the bridges aren’t setup properly it can be detrimental (PaulB has visions of messages going around each platform recursively forever) Timo: how did people feel about the hands-on sessions? Khem: i think it went well in general, in-person would have been more effective TW: usually there are 2 tracks, break-out rooms Khem: virtual is much harder, hard to get people the help when you’re not sure who is at what stage, people have to speak up Timo: in the past sometime we would just get to jump in and give people a new instance TW: hard to know who’s struggling, no feedback Timo: large numbers too, glad to see the number of participants, but the larger the class, the harder to manage. Rob Woolley: https://github.com/conan-io/training?files=1 did a hands-on that i thought was really well done. instructions on git, thumbs-up to say “i’m done”, scripts to get people caught up Khem: yes, good idea! Josef: unfortunate that the biggest devday ever had only 1, mostly advanced, track. and the first couple talks were on advanced details (licenses, containers) Scott: i think they were merged because beginner numbers were going down Khem: we should have separate rooms RP: there was a definite trend, in real conferences, esp in NA towards intermediate/advanced talks. beginner attendance higher in europe Khem: lots of people from everywhere around the world Randy: why wait for the next conference? maybe do this monthly JPEW: was there a survey? various: yes Timo: i really missed not having an OED{E|A}M Philip: board is talking about it TW: what about #oe-meeting on irc, we had a couple a while back Philip: give us a bit of time to figure something out. nice that we don’t have to put it against ELC/ELCe Timo: want to give a shoutout to Josef for his working especially bringing in new people via his Twitch streams Josef: thanks! lots of neat stuff coming up. we’re over 32k views in last few months, 150 new followers each week
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