It guess it is an old message that was forgotten on the server. An
"accident". At least I hope so. If not, Andreas has really shot himself
into his foot and hurt SUSEs credibility.

Cheers,
Fabian

Am Montag, den 17.04.2006, 21:07 +0200 schrieb jelle wierdsma:
> Hi all,
> 
> As you say mark this is probably old news and even if it is recent
> news .. it doesnt matter at all ... we are preparing and working hard
> towards a new yoper release ... which is led by teamleader Tobias
> Gerschner .. not Andreas Girardet with all due respect ... andreas's
> his yoper editions were the work of one man ... and they are in the
> past ... off course Andreas can say all he wants about his own
> releases .. but we are all working on a new release now ... which is a
> community effort ... in other words there is a new yoper sun out
> there .. which shines on us .. and the rain is falling .. and yoper is
> growing .. and blossoming .. ok i will stop now .. dont want to sound
> too much like a preacher .. :)
> 
> mainpoint is:
> 
> TobiG led yoper editions are the future ... and they will rock this
> earth  :)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Johnbon
> 
> On 4/17/06, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>         On Monday 17 Apr 2006 17:58, jelle wierdsma wrote:
>         > Hi all,
>         >
>         > In reaction to your post mark ...
>         >
>         > If distrowatch picked it up ... Andreas has some explaining
>         to do .. for
>         > starters to TobiG .. and after that to the rest of us ..
>         this is not good 
>         > publicity for us ... he is really sort of shooting us all
>         through the head
>         > with this message .. especially now it is public on
>         distrowatch ... thanks
>         > Andreas for stabbing us in the back i suppose .. like it
>         says on 
>         > distrowatch ... i guess he can do this though .. as i
>         understand he owns
>         > the trademark .. giving him sort of the right to kill it
>         off ... :(
>         > I think if he put this message on the server recently .. he
>         is 
>         > intentionally .. doing this to all of us .. but ok let us
>         wait for his
>         > defense .. maybe you can shed some light on this matter
>         TobiG  ?? ... i
>         > cant imagine this doesnt shock you either ..
>         >
>         > But for now ..
>         >
>         > Regards,
>         >
>         > Johnbon
>         >
>         
>         I still feel this is something Andreas put there some time
>         ago....
>         I suspect Distrowatch may have picked this up from the posts
>         here on the dev 
>         lists - they are, after all, open to all. We have always gone
>         for open
>         discussion - which means that all posts to this list are
>         available to all.
>         Ladislav, the guy who runs Distrowatch has posted on here
>         before - and of 
>         course, he is welcome to do so :) So perhaps that is where
>         Distrowatch got
>         the information. It would seem logical - the message on there
>         appeared after
>         the posts on this list.
>         
>         I suspect Tobias is busy with his move currently, and will be
>         unable to get 
>         involved in attempting to sort this out. Likewise, I suspect
>         Andreas posted
>         the message in the ftp server some time ago - and probably
>         forgot all about
>         it!
>         Although Andreas is no longer actively involved in Yoper
>         development, he does 
>         take an interest in what is happening - I would not like us to
>         point fingers
>         at Andreas - or any other person - over this. I honestly
>         believe it is
>         nothing more than an oversight. I am sure there was a reason
>         for the message 
>         being there - maybe when the Yoper server was moved, or
>         something similar.
>         
>         It is rather annoying that it has appeared on Distrowatch at
>         this time - after
>         all, we are gearing up for the release, However, I suppose
>         Open Source means 
>         exactly what it implies - that we do not hide what happens on
>         Yoper, even if
>         it is a little frustrating!
>         
>         Hopefully, those involved will be able to explain a little
>         more about what has
>         happened - but until then I guess we need to just assume this
>         is an oversight 
>         from some time ago.
>         
>         Mark
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