On 5/30/06, Walter Hieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well,my ideas were concentrating more on bringing in a User Space Installation rather than single click installations :) , so taken that case, Klik wont fit into this.
One that you didn't mention is Klik. --> http://klik.atekon.de/
Well,my ideas were concentrating more on bringing in a User Space Installation rather than single click installations :) , so taken that case, Klik wont fit into this.
Same thing and it has a lot of recent development. Works like Mac OSX. I have installed in on Yoper in the past but hasn't worked for me yet. I haven't really tried to make it work though.Walter-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chakkaradeep C C
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 1:50 PM
To: yoper-dev - open minded discussionSubject: Re: [yoper-dev] maybe interistingHi all,
any comments are welcome :) as usual :)well, its time to tell about my idea as zero install as come into picture :), thanks arnulf ....
some of my ideas are,
1) User installing apps in his user-space area (using zero-conf,autopackage,openpkg etc.,)
2) Having a common platform for installing third party software tools (using autopackage,openpkg). This would enable us to maintain a desktop standard for apps.Let me explain,
We develop yoper, have the core . The third party softwares are those which are not developed by Yoper, like Firefox,xmms etc., We package these where it will install in a common platform in Yoper and will be specific to user/all users. This also helps us to manage the core in a easier manner.
3) The above two points will enable a user to install appliacations and need not be a root to install. This installation will be totally done in his own user-space area. The key point to be noted here would be, making installable files relocatable.
4) There are many apps which are too big and come with various options. For example, OpenOffice is huge, has many addons available,comes out in different languages etc., . What we can do is, bundle them with an installer which asks the user on series of questions , like, what Oo package he wants to install, what language packs he wants to install etc.,
The User feels lot more easier when he has what he needs rather giving all to him and telling, "You can also remove apps by using smart". Make options open, we get users coming to us.
Another note - My ideas may seem to be similar to Windows (i feel it is not :-o) ). No, they are not. If you forget Windows and then re-read, you will find them as some of the basic needs what a normal user would want.
Currently three projects called ZeroInstall,AutoPackage,OpenPkg can help us to bring in the user installation. The comparison chart with other systems can be found here --> http://zero-install.sourceforge.net/matrix.html
The Zero Install system makes software installation not merely easy but unnecessary. Users run their applications directly from the Internet from the software author's pages. Caching makes this as fast as running a normal application after the first time and allows off-line use.So , it is nothing but network file system from which we run file systems.This can be seen as its advantage as well as disadvantage.Suppose, i click on firefox, the user has to wait until firefox gets downloaded into user's cache and then only he can use. Once the application is in the User's cache, it is nothing but installed.This would be good if the download speed is good and, where dial up are been used, this would fail. Another advantage of using ZeroInstall is, they allow use of Digital Signatures. It has good security features, here is the link http://zero-install.sourceforge.net/...-security.html
With Autopackage ( http://autopackage.org/ ), when i interacted with the people in their IRC Network, they told that if the application has relocatable files ( i really dont have idea becoz, i have some confusion regarding whether system files should be relocatable or application's files) and packaged in that way, users will have the ability to install applications.Here , with Autopackage,they havent brought in the Security Features as we have in ZeroInstall.
The OpenPkg system, i just encountered with this and saw their presentation here -- http://www.openpkg.org/documentation...ation/openpkg/ . The way they explain what is OpenPkg seems to be promising , but am unsure whether this would help us to bring in our concept.The OpenPkg architecture is really promising.It also forms an easy way of installing RPM apps.So if it doesnt fit into our User Space installation, we could easily convert RPMs to an easy installable medium using OpenPkg.One such company which uses is www.spikesource.org
I havent tried anything yet , however i just collect details regarding these.
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C.C.Chakkaradeep,
Novatium Solutions Limited,Chennai.
http://www.novatium.com
http://www.yoper.com
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http://www.yoper.com
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