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Hi, Some thought to provoke discussion. We can trundle along as is, I have no issues with that. I like the idea of just a simple za-pm mailing list. Dealing with local folk is preferable to dealing with others who get shirty at a stupid question & there are enough 'RTFM' groups around anyway. We do have a pleasant if small and quiet group. But maybe we should aim for more? So, for first thing, what do we want out of our website. As is, it is pretty basic. We don't actually have need of anything too complex, do we? What do people want on there any way? If we get the equivalent of a Linux 2010 ZA conference then I can add that - or anything else that is relevant - onto there. So if there is any special news that warrants a mention on the site, mention it to me on this list and I'll add it in in the current format. Would it be appropriate to add in potted perl biographies of za-pm members? The Mail Archive that I set up is nice and makes for easy reading of our posts, so I don't see the need for za-pm equivalents of social networking sites - but hey, maybe someone wants to run za-pm on facebook for us! We could have something smarter, but this may involve one of you doing a stint as webmaster. There may be offers available for generic or nearly-so web designs for perl groups at no cost, but they would have to be hosted elsewhere (no fancy Catalyst stuff on perl.org for security reasons - does that say something or does it not?) which in itself is a problem perhaps since unless someone is offering free server space this has to be paid for. Since we are a group well spread out we have issues not apparent to, say, the Cincinatti perl group who have enough interested people to host meetings, barbeques, etc. Geographically we are even in ZA alone diverse, and since many of us are members of the greater za-diaspora living in Europe, the Americas, or Australasia, then we are not going to get together this weekend or even the next for social occasions, so count that idea out. Some groups have enough active members to work on some collaborative project. Do we? These things are meant to be fun, not a drag, and with too few people trying to do too much it does become a drag. If any one has ideas in this direction, speak up. As it happens, for my two-pennyworth, I organised an online vote for a professional society recently. I found only one online site that was set up for small people such as families, clubs & societies - and I dug deep into the pages of google hits. Lots of big commercial operations, but essentially zilch for a 30 member outfit to choose a new committee for the year. Interesting I would think, and since we paid up $25 for needing features not available for free, then profitable even! A perl setup for that as open source could be a project. But then I am sure that you have more vision on the needs of the perl community than I do. So over to you. As noted, I did add a new line or two to the website. I am going to ask on the pm-groups if there is any way that we can spread the word to the za-diaspora for more members. Other than that there is little I can do on my own. If something is really necessary and wanted, then speak up. If we are just going to carry on with no major goal, leaving that to the bigger guys, then that is fine by me too since I would now be sitting on a desert island with my laptop and an inexhaustable supply of batteries if I had a choice. I'm not pushing, just asking. Bestest Anne _______________________________________________ Za-pm mailing list Zafirstname.lastname@example.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/za-pm posts also archived on Mail Archive http://email@example.com/