Seems fair to me too -looking at the time posted is the fairest: often 
messages take time to get to hotmail accounts and when there is a 
suddengreat interest in a new release, this confusion is bound to happen.
Doesn't really ,matter what order it goes in - as long as everyone gets it, 
and and no one member hangs on a vine for too long (I set my self a target 
of 48 hours, usually I manage next day dispatch, e.g.),




                        Kind Regards, nick




----Original Message Follows----
From: "Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
To: <Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] New & Imporved VO: Uncle Meat, Video From Hell & 
200 Motels True Story (3 DVD NTSC)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:56:05 +0100

Thanks Joe, I am well happy with your decision......seems most sensible and 
fair.

Regards, Richard.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Joe Della Posta
   To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 2:51 PM
   Subject: [Zappa-List] New & Imporved VO: Uncle Meat, Video From Hell & 
200 Motels True Story (3 DVD NTSC)


   Richard, Here is my take on this situation.

   Based on what I have been sent from this Vine, I have a combined Vine 
version as I see it.
   This New & Improved Vine is based on the time stamp from the posted 
Zappa-List emails.
   Moving through each posting (A through G), I have added names based on 
when the
   Zappa-List posted them.

   I hope we are all agree on this. If not, you know who to blame (The mail 
system).

   Regards:
   Joe.DP


   << [EMAIL PROTECTED] << mr. Skull << thierry 
barbier([EMAIL PROTECTED]) <
   < [EMAIL PROTECTED] << [EMAIL PROTECTED] << [EMAIL PROTECTED]<< 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <
   < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<"Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <<


   A)
   Monday, September 26, 2005 3:32 PM
   Subject: [Zappa-List] New VO: Uncle Meat, Video From Hell & 200 Motels 
True Story (3 DVD NTSC)

   << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<

   B)
   Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:04 PM
   Subject: [Zappa-List] New VO: Uncle Meat, Video From Hell & 200 Motels 
True Story (3 DVD NTSC)

   << [EMAIL PROTECTED] << mr. Skull << thierry 
barbier([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   << [EMAIL PROTECTED] << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<

   C)
   Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:11 AM
   Subject: [Zappa-List] Re: New VO: Uncle Meat, Video From Hell & 200 
Motels True Story (3 DVD NTSC)

   << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<< [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<

   D)
   Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 4:12 AM
   Subject: [Zappa-List] Re: New VO: Uncle Meat, Video From Hell & 200 
Motels True Story (3 DVD NTSC)

   << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<< [EMAIL PROTECTED] << 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <<

   E)
   Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:43 PM
   Subject: [Zappa-List] New VO: Uncle Meat, Video From Hell & 200 Motels 
True Story (3 DVD NTSC)

   << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<< [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<

   F)
   From: Richard
   To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:12 PM
   Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: New VO: Uncle Meat, Video From Hell & 200 
Motels True Story (3 DVD NTSC)

   << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<< [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED] Luis  <
   < Richard Moore UK <<

   G)
   To: <Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com>
   Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] New VO: Uncle Meat, Video From Hell & 200 
Motels
   True Story (3 DVD NTSC)
   Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 01:16:32 +0100

   I found these two totally different lines....so, its not all me..it was
   messed up before I messed it up....

   << [EMAIL PROTECTED] << mr. Skull << thierry barbier (
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) << [EMAIL PROTECTED] << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<

   and

   << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<< [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<

     ----- Original Message -----
     From: Richard
     To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
     Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:06 AM
     Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] New VO: Uncle Meat, Video From Hell & 200 
Motels True Story (3 DVD NTSC)


     Hi Joe,
               since you seem to have the best grip on the 
whereabouts/members of the two split vines, could we ask you to merge them 
in an appropriate manner please. You were sitting on one arm of this split 
vine and secure in receiving it, so maybe you would be the best referee as 
to where Luis and I should fit in the line. I am happy to be anywhere on the 
line so long as I am in the line somewhere. I am sure this will solve the 
problem since you would be acting impartially so to speak.
     Maybe im talking *ollocks, lol..but it might just work. any complaints 
please write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
       ----- Original Message -----
       From: Joe Della Posta
       To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
       Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 1:51 PM
       Subject: [Zappa-List] New VO: Uncle Meat, Video From Hell & 200 
Motels True Story (3 DVD NTSC)


       A new list, I am not sure that a new one is needed.  Just want to get 
on the Vine that is real & growing.
       If you put them together that would be fine with me.

       If there are any further ideas on why two Vines got started, it would 
be helpful in the future to prevent this type of false / uncontrolled 
growth.  I know our goals are to share this great music without a lot of 
overhead.

       Regards
       Joe.DP
         ----- Original Message -----
         From: Richard
         To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
         Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 5:31 AM
         Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] New VO: Uncle Meat, Video From Hell & 200 
Motels True Story (3 DVD NTSC)


         Hi Everyone...So are we making a new list for this?
           ----- Original Message -----
           From: lusi tanio
           To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
           Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 2:59 PM
           Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] New VO: Uncle Meat, Video From Hell & 
200 Motels True Story (3 DVD NTSC)


           I don´t think there is a pal vine. Let´s blame the computers. But 
is clear that somehow two vines grow up. I think we should make a new list, 
I don´t bother to be at the tail.
           Luis


           Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
             Hi Nick and all,
                                    I think it was planned to have 2 vines 
for PAL and NTSC, because I asked Michael about that and was waiting for the 
PAL to show up. I am pretty sure it didn't..But because Michaels has been 
busy and I didn't want to pester him, and I couldn't wait, I jumped in on 
the NTSC very late.
             So that cant be the reason why there seems to be two 
lines....What is the agreed correct line now? I will join the end.
               ----- Original Message -----
               From: Nick Ullmann
               To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
               Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 8:23 AM
               Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] New VO: Uncle Meat, Video From Hell 
& 200 Motels True Story (3 DVD NTSC)


               Hi, I think you'll find there are two vines - one PAL for 
Europe and one
               NTSC for the USA.

               I haven't received from Michael yet, will let you know when 
it does,




                                       Kind Regards, nick




               ----Original Message Follows----
               From: "Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
               Reply-To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
               To: <Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com>
               Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] New VO: Uncle Meat, Video From Hell 
& 200 Motels
               True Story (3 DVD NTSC)
               Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 01:16:32 +0100

               I found these two totally different lines....so, its not all 
me..it was
               messed up before I messed it up....

               << [EMAIL PROTECTED] << mr. Skull << thierry barbier 
(
               [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) << [EMAIL PROTECTED] << 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <<


               and

               << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<< 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <<
               [EMAIL PROTECTED] << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<

               I can't pass on this Vine, so here it goes again with a 
promise to pass to
               the next.

               Regards:
               Joe.DP

                  ----- Original Message -----

                  From: Joe Della Posta
                  To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 12:36 AM
                  Subject: [Zappa-List] New VO: Uncle Meat, Video From Hell 
& 200 Motels
               True Story (3 DVD NTSC)


                  Now guys I am really confused:  This is what I have sent.
                  What do you think is happening??  As of [EMAIL PROTECTED] I 
was 
on this Vine.
                  Where am I???

                  Help Please
                  Joe.DP

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: Joe Della Posta
                  To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:43 PM
                  Subject: [Zappa-List] New VO: Uncle Meat, Video From Hell 
& 200 Motels
               True Story (3 DVD NTSC)


                  << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<< 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <<
                  [EMAIL PROTECTED] << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<

                  I can't pass on this Vine, so here it goes again with a 
promise to pass
               to the next.

                  Regards:
                  Joe.DP

                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: Richard
                    To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:12 PM
                    Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: New VO: Uncle Meat, Video 
>From Hell & 200
               Motels True Story (3 DVD NTSC)


                    << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<< 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <<
                    [EMAIL PROTECTED] Luis  << Richard Moore UK <<

                    hey luis, its my fault most likely..i tried to find the 
end of the line
               and messed up...sorry..
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: lusi tanio
                      To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 10:26 PM
                      Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: New VO: Uncle Meat, 
Video From Hell &
               200 Motels True Story (3 DVD NTSC)


                      humm....somehow I disappear from the list. Is there 
another branch of
               this vine? Michael? Sofa?
                      thanks, Luis

                      Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
                        << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<< 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <<
                        [EMAIL PROTECTED] << Richard Moore UK <<

                        Thanks
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: Michael Painter
                          To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 9:12 AM
                          Subject: [Zappa-List] Re: New VO: Uncle Meat, 
Video From Hell &
               200 Motels True Story (3 DVD NTSC)


                          << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]<< 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
               <<
                          [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<


               
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                          --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, "larksss2003"
               <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
                          > Hi Michael
                          >
                          > Please,include me in the vine,I promise to
               revine,regards,Alexandre.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com, "Michael 
Painter"
                          > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
                          > > << [EMAIL PROTECTED] <<
                          > >
                          > >
               
--------------------------------------------------------------------
                          > ----
                          > > Remember onlist(on the group) replies, not 
OFFLIST! for
               Zappa-List
                          > >
               
--------------------------------------------------------------------
                          > --
                          > > Hi Folks,
                          > >
                          > > well sofa has agreed that I can vine these so 
here goes...
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Michael.
                          > >
               
--------------------------------------------------------------------
                          > ---
                          > >
                          > > details....
                          > >
                          > > Uncle Meat.
                          > > ===========
                          > >
                          > > Songs include:
                          > > The Uncle Meat Variations, Dog Breath, In The 
Year Of The
               Plague,
                          > Mr.
                          > > GreenGenes, Holiday In Berlin Full-Blown, 
Mother People, I'm
               Not
                          > > Satisfied,Tengo Na Minchia Tanta (Written by 
Frank Zappa and
               Massimo
                          > > Bassoli)
                          > >
                          > > The was movie started in 67 with the original 
Mothers of
               Invention.
                          > > Finished in88 or 89 and released on videotape. 
The movie has
                          > basically
                          > > 2 parts to it.
                          > > One is based on the live concert footage of 
the Mothers plus
               a small
                          > > orchestra in the London Festival Hall in 68. 
This footage is
               based
                          > on
                          > > the story of members of the band quitting to 
start their own
               band
                          > > eitherbecause they want a band of all 
disciplined music or
               they want
                          > > to escape from under Zappa's shadow and play 
real rock and
               roll. The
                          > > remainder of the movie is made up of Dom 
DeWild (Don Preston)
                          > > pretending to be a Jeckyl and Hyde sort. 
Really wierd. There
               are
                          > also
                          > > some videos of the band for the songs Mr. 
Green Genes and
               Holiday in
                          > > Berlin (from Burnt Weenie Sandwich). The 
concert footage is
               good and
                          > > the videos are fun, but the rest is just plain 
bizzare.
                          > >
                          > >
               
------------------------------------------------------------------
                          > > Video From Hell.
                          > > ================
                          > >
                          > > Includes:
                          > >
                          > >     * "Video From Hell" Animated Sequence by 
Bruce Bickford,
               c.
                          > 1974-78
                          > >     * "G-Spot Tornado" c. 1962-63
                          > >     * Sigma TV Interview, December 19, 1986
                          > >     * Excerpts from Secrets Of The U.M.R.K.
                          > >     * St. Etienne, France, May 28, 1982 by 
Thomas Nordegg
                          > >     * Ex Mattatoio di Testaccio, Rome, Italy, 
July 9, 1982
                          > >     * "You Are What You Is"
                          > >     * Excerpts from Uncle Meat, 1970 (included 
some unused
               footage)
                          > >     * Pinewood Studios, January-February, 1971 
from The True
               Story
                          > Of
                          > > 200 Motels
                          > >     * Hotel Room, Berlin, 1968 (from Uncle 
Meat)
                          > >     * MOI Live Footage, Los Angeles, late 1968 
by Cal
               Schenkel (from
                          > > Uncle Meat)
                          > >     * Adelaide Tonight, NWS Channel Nine, 
Australia, 1973
                          > >     * The Palladium, NYC, October, 1977 (from 
Baby Snakes)
                          > >     * MOI 8mm Home Movies, 1969 by Motorhead 
Sherwood (from
               Uncle
                          > Meat)
                          > >     * Royal Festival Hall, October, 1968 (from 
Uncle Meat)
                          > >     * 1967 MOI Recording Session for We're 
Only In It For The
               Money
                          > > (from Uncle Meat)
                          > >     * 1967 MOI at Garrick Theater (from Uncle 
Meat)
                          > >     * We're Only In It For The Money Album 
Cover Photo
               Session (from
                          > > Uncle Meat)
                          > >     * Live 1967 MOI Unidentified Footage 
(Ripping the covers
               of the
                          > > albums) (from Uncle Meat)
                          > >     * Elliott Ingber Interview
                          > >     * Metz, France, June 22, 1982
                          > >     * Eric Malkin "I Need Your Love"
                          > >     * Excerpts from An American Dissident
                          > >     * Zappa Testimony before the Maryland 
State Legislature,
                          > February
                          > > 14, 1986
                          > >     * Early 1986 Maryland TV Interview
                          > >
                          > > The music:
                          > >
                          > >     * Video From Hell (unidentified Synclavier 
music)
                          > >     * G-Spot Tornado from Jazz From Hell
                          > >     * St. Etienne from Jazz From Hell
                          > >     * Stevie's Spanking from You Can't Do That 
On Stage
               Anymore
                          > Vol. 1
                          > >     * You Are What You Is from You Are What 
You Is
                          > >     * Night School from Jazz From Hell
                          > >     * Dog Breath, In The Year Of The Plague 
from Uncle Meat
                          > >     * King Kong from Baby Snakes (The Movie)
                          > >     * Mother People from We're Only In It For 
The Money
               (1987)
                          > >     * Mr. Green Genes from Uncle Meat
                          > >     * King Kong from You Can't Do That On 
Stage Anymore Vol.
               3
                          > >     * Bogus Pomp from L.S.O. Vol. II
                          > >
                          > >
               
--------------------------------------------------------------------
                          > -
                          > > 200 Motels, the true story..
                          > > =============================
                          > >
                          > >    True Story of 200 Motels
                          > >    A one-hour documentary on the making of 
Frank Zappa's
               bizarre
                          > >    1971 comic musical. Vintage private footage 
from Frank's
               personal
                          > >    archives plus behind-the-scenes of the 
actual shooting and
                          > >    recording.  With Ringo Starr, Theodore 
Bikel, Keith Moon
               and such
                          > >    songs as "Sleeping in a Jar," and "Strictly 
Genteel." The
               inside
                          > >    history of the first feature-length film to 
be shot on
               video in 6
                          > >    days. 60 mins.






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