Huai-chin Nan's  buddhist writings in chinese are mostly available 
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--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Ahmed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm Ahmed. I think the questions we are talking about are 
pretty
> important. Especially when I saw the word "skandha," I felt a need 
to
> thoroughly explain the term since it is so deep. Especially when 
skandhas
> are a neat classification system of the universe--all forms and 
movements,
> body or mind--the small dictionary definition will not do. But it 
would take
> a while to explain subsets and subsets of subsets . . . to map 
things out
> would take a great book to guide the discriminative thinking of 
our mind.
> 
> 
> [Please skip eight paragraphs if you agree with the usefulness of 
mental
> discrimination, classification, organization and cutting the world 
into
> pieces.]
> 
> 
> Bill Smart, I think you would disapprove of my mental 
discrimination with me
> on this point. "In fact the ONLY thing that is important is to sit 
(zazen),"
> you replied once. Sitting is important but not ONLY.
> 
> "Being knowledgeable or understanding things about zen, Buddhism, 
the
> Dharma, Sutras, Taoism, Hindi, yoga, physiology, philosophy, 
etc..., are not
> important at all.  They're fun, but not important."
> 
> Can you tell me discrimination is not useful in saving lives, in 
planning
> for the future, in discovering and solving interpersonal issues, 
and in
> advancing science not only for better physical understanding but 
also
> spiritual understanding and acceptance? What about for a job? Does 
one sit
> down and get paid in this world?
> 
> Sure, sitting unifies one with the universe so that one has 
greater energy
> and capacity to understand. In fact, one MUST sit and BE in order 
to evolve
> one's theoretical knowledge to insight. But it is hard to imagine 
that one
> comes up with solutions magically from sitting.
> 
> Once again, understanding the principles throughout the universe 
(of yin,
> yang and their many products), can these be called unimportant to 
one's
> mundane life and spiritual cultivation? True Buddhas must 
have "skillful
> means," methods of teaching which take into account context, 
audience, and
> environment. Buddhas must know of how the mind works (psychology) 
and the
> positions of others (Hindu, Muslim, Christian, this-and-that 
philosopher
> etc.) in order to compassionately guide him/her out or into a 
certain train
> of thought. Buddhas do not rigidly sit there, teaching corpses to 
become
> schizoids.
> 
> I hope I have gotten my point across: mental discrimination is a 
difficult
> process to master, a process that cannot be ignored, despite the 
paradoxical
> nature of ideas, especially if one aims to be a Buddha.
> 
> Also, the downside, mental discrimination is a process many people 
have a
> habit of using too much nowadays, me included, and if you tell 
someone to
> "'just sit' they'll probably just be spacing out most of the time 
becuase
> they have no concentration." (dkotschessa)
> 
> But with mental discrimination one can logically explain to 
another personal
> the benefits and effects of meditation thus counteracting their
> discrimination within their own world of rules. One can even 
understand the
> conditions and causes of meditative rest and better be able to 
handle issues
> when they arise and help others if they request it. This is called 
using
> "fire to fight fire." Using the thinking mind itself to learn to 
stop
> itself.
> 
> 
> [The previous eight paragraphs were written for the sole purpose of
> explaining why discrimination is important, I know it's not 
complete--I hope
> you can fill in the rest.]
> 
> 
> The questions that arose about physical stature, hua-tou, 
skandhas, and what
> entails true zen practice were very important. And explanations 
are long.
> 
> A book which desribes this aptly is "How to Measure and Deepen Your
> Spiritual Realization: A Short Multi-disciplinary Course on 
Evaluating and
> Elevating Your Meditation Progress and Spiritual Experiences." 
This book was
> written by William Bodri (manager of www.meditationexpert.com) and 
Huai-Chin
> Nan, a enlightened Esoteric master and Zen master, confirmed by 
many people
> all over Asia.
> 
> This book will take you through a journey of understanding the 
different
> perspectives and cultivation schemes of different cultures, 
religions, and
> philosophies, the skandha system and it's relevance to 
cultivation, true
> Ch'an practice, the structure behind all sorts of Oriental 
practices from
> physical pranayama to mental visualizations, chi cultivation 
(hows, whys,
> don'ts), the metaphysics of cultivation and skillful means in 
order to help
> all of the universe.
> 
> I assure you, after reading this book you will have no questions 
other than
> whether or not you can trust yourself to put forth the effort to 
go forward.
> 
> But this book is darned expensive ($97) even if it has a lot of 
bonuses.
> Even worse, it's an e-book so you have to print it. But I promise 
it's worth
> the pain. Just read the raving excerpts for a taste.
> 
> But this 700+ page but comes with a neat guarantee, which is the 
epitome of
> why I think you should try it:
> 
> "If you buy this material and after reading it don't find it 
useful or
> instructive at all, not only will I return your money but I will 
send you
> every other ebook on this site for FREE! That's right ... I will 
send you
> every other book for free! Why such a guarantee? I want you to be 
totally
> satisfied with our materials and in this way I'm guaranteeing 
you'll get
> something that can benefit you." -- William Bodri (author)
> 
> Good deal if one wants to get some other book on the site which 
altogether
> are probably worth nearly a thousand dollars. Not to even go into 
the
> intrinsic value.
> 
> I challenge everyone here to see for yourself because, now, 
because no
> excuses can possibly remain.
> 
> http://meditationexpert.com/measuringmeditation.html
> 
> But I didn't mean to silence your questions or discussion.
> 
> Thank you for listening, anyway. Good luck. Bye.
> 
> --Ahmed
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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