If everyone speaks the same language, say sanskrit, which is a good 
language to describe and express buddhism, everyone would have typed 
less here, all may seem like zen masters who doesnt really need to 
talk much...

It is hoped that the buddhist jargon  in the english language as an 
important international language will mature one day, so that 
communications get simpler...haha! Well, time will take care of 
everything, as proven in history.

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Smart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>[Bill!]...but discrimination and logic 
> >>are not tools that are useful in realizing your
> >>Buddha Nature.  In fact they may be
> >>(and are usually) detrimental.
> >[ dkotschessa] Well, that's funny, becuase the Buddha used them 
all the
> time.
> It is not my understanding that the story of Siddhartha Buddha 
includes an
> assertion that he used discrimination and logic to obtain 
enlightenment.  It
> is my understanding that the story claims he tried a lot of things 
> finally obtained enlightenment after finally giving everything up 
> retreated to just sitting under the Bohi tree in what I assume to 
be a state
> of samadhi (shikan-taza in Japanese, no-mind in English), a state 
> certainly does not support active discrimination and logic.
> The story does support the claims that he certainly did freely use
> discrimination and logic before his enlightenment; and also 
afterwards to
> formulate his teachings.
> I write my posts pretty much impromptu, and although I try to be 
> with my wording sometimes they are not as clear as I'd like.  In 
this case I
> would like to modify my posting above by adding the word 'FIRST':
> ...but discrimination and logic 
> are not tools that are useful in FIRST realizing your
> Buddha Nature.  In fact they may be
> (and are usually) detrimental.
> >>[Bill!] ...to see your Original Face all you need to do
> >>is sit (zazen) - nothing more.
> >[dkotschessa] And how is zazen any different from reading, or 
> >You see these things as somehow being different from zazen, 
> >separate.  But they are all part of the same activity.  Buddha 
> >is not restricted to just sitting.
> Zazen is zazen.  Reading and studying are reading and studying.  
In that
> sense they are different.  After you have seen your Original Face 
and begin
> to actualize your Buddha nature in your everyday life any and all 
> MAY be said to express your Buddha nature.  In that sense they are 
the same.
> Scooby Dooby Doo...Bill!

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