But one size does fit all! Of course not the body since it is an elemental
composition determined by past karma and thus must have different medicine,
kung-fu, and postures but the mind . . . do we not have the same problem?

There is some mysterious thing:

"In the universe, within time and space, hidden in the mountain of form; it
cognizes things, emptily shining, empty inside and out, all one and still,
invisible; it's function is a dark myster."

But why should we believe in this?? Several rationale exist for the logical
mind (see Measuring).

But for the intuitive mind--one can FEEL such an impersonal thing. One can
feel the right-ness of such a thing because of interdependent origination .
. . but such a thing must be beyond form, sensation, conception, will, and
even especially consciousness--that which establishes independence. This is
where the Zen pathway of not using discrimination comes from.

Certainly, one cannot cut up Original Nature since it is beyond form--it
lacks form!
Certainly one cannot feel Original Nature since it is beyond sensation--it
is no specific feeling.
Certainly, one cannot think of Original Nature since it is beyond any
separation--it is boundless.
Certainly, Original Nature does not end and begin--it is timeless.
Certainly, Original Nature has no consciousness--it lacks a mutated, limited

Unseeable, unfeelable, unthinkable, no limits, no ego. Alas, the surgeon is
robbed of his every tools!

Discriminatively understanding, intuitively understanding . . . the Zen
master "gives up" the search. A search is futile. What need is there go
looking for something when Original Nature is beyond, beyond, beyond? This
is where the direct route, "resting in your Original Nature" by taking a
brilliant backward step and sitting without desire or movement, comes from.
Sitting without moving for no-movement. Matching emptiness. (This is Heart
Sutra stuff.)

And so they sit. Just sit. Not even. Just - - -  or

Recognizing Original Nature, completely at peace with his suffering, the Zen
master sees the painful, inside-out suffering of all sentient beings. So the
Zen master decides that he will save them all.

But can the Zen master rigidly sit there and save them all? Alas, if it were
only that easy, cries the Zen master.

And so seeing that sitting there and eating shit-cakes when given won't do,
the Zen master returns to the desire world that he came from.

He goes back.

"Unity attained:
Who dares to equal him
Who falls into neither being nor non-being!
All men want to leave
The current of ordinary life,
But he, after all, comes back
To sit among the coals and ashes."
–Tung-Shan (806-869)

This is where your idea of not eating shit-cakes comes in, Stamply.

This is where cleverness comes in. This is where skill comes in. This is
where understanding Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, scientology, Christianity
comes in.

This is where the Zen master must return to the ashes and use his wise
discriminative faculties to organize the world into pieces. Pieces which are
ultimately random but mundanely workable.

This is where the Zen master becomes a scientist and learns to twist and
turn the way the doctor does, the Zen master becomes a contortionist and
works within the trap and guides people to the correct ways of thinking that
led him to understand the emptiness of the world and the importance of

But the Zen master does not find his enlightenment useless. Well--it is
useless. But in his transcension of all the skandhas the Zen master has
re-gained mastery over the skandhas. Mastery that was there before being
confused and mistaking ego for reality.

This becomes useful because now the Zen master is one with the universe. The
Zen master is able to now use all of the universe in expression of bright,
virtuous Original Nature. Able to flexibly use "expedited" manners to
quickly signal others to their release, the Zen master could not properly
function without Awakening. The empty uselessness was useful. The hole in
the wall helped.

An important, holistic insight can be gleaned from all this:

PRINCIPLE: The universe is one--no ego exists.
INSIDE ACTION: No ego exists, but why does this mind continue to become
(Investigate honestly without aim through function-less, empty zazen. Use
question: "What is this mind?")
OUTSIDE ACTION: No ego exists, universe is one. I should help these restless
people who suffer but increase their suffering by suffering about suffering
(disturbance). (Use skillfulness to guide people correctly, using emotions
and thoughts as "tools" and the Awakened abilities of freedom to function
within the trap.)

You're right Jarvis, no amount of shit-eating will help you in this world.

Read "Way of Zen" by Alan Watts for a better, more comprehensive
explanation. Alan Watts is the best for us reasoning people who need it to
explain to ourselves and to others.

One must understand principles of emptiness and the universe and get to it!


P.S.: Krishnamurti's book? Sorry, I haven't read that book. I'm poor so I
really save my money by reading on-line and borrowing whatever books I can
from the library.

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