Hi Tailor, I like what you are discussing. It is very interesting. I am not sure I understand your third paragraph about "through the goal... missing by..." Can you elaborate a little more?
Thanks, JM Tailor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is true, very true, about the formulated and formless practices mentioned. But there is a difference. Saying "there is no good or evil, right or wrong" by an enlightened teacher is the realization of the true reality. Copying by saying the same by a random guy can be just being philosophically correct. At least he knows this at the mind, not the heart. Like what you said, driven by the life force itself. It is so true, but it can be self-serving too. When I feel laziness, or feel like getting loaded, I am excused by the fact that I am driven by the life force. And before enlightenment, you are sure you are driven by the universal life force, or it's your ego? Like the "living in the present" teaching. It can be self-serving too. Do whatever my life force (or ego?) tells me to do, and be present with it. To me, from what I learned from my Master, the key is, to attain the goal (living in the present) is not through the goal itself (constantly remind or examine yourself to be in the present, in which you will always be tenth of second missing of present). "Buddha says one word, sentient beings interpret differently, possibly miles away." This is inevitable. I am not judging anyone, I just feel sad. donald hwong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Tailor, So true, Well put. As we begin our practice with formulated methods, we need a lot of determination, perseverance and commitment. After we entered the formula-less practice, then we can surpass these adjectives of human invention, and be driven by life force itself. Al is the moderator of this forum. I am sure he is asking this question for those who were not familiar with Buddhism. :-) JM Tailor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Buddhism is not pessimism or demotivating, thinking so is a misunderstanding. It may seem so because many ancient and modern monks and nuns seem to live a reclusive life without need to strive in this busy world. It might seem so because of the teachings of Middle Way, which "seem" to discourage anything "active" such as determination and perseverance that you mentioned. But this is not true. In different scenario and environment the practice is different. Modern people, laymen have to work for a living. A true Buddhist works hard, because he knows that's his responsibility to be fulfilled. Buddhism is not a dead dogma, it is alive, can be applied to everyday life, including your work. As you might agree, on the path to enlightenment, or even to maintain consistent daily practice, requires determination. To become Buddha one must excel oneself, to surpass one's weaknesses or bad habits. And from this perspective, those good qualities that you mentioned are essential to Buddhism. "Desire" for enlightenment is different from desire for sex and money that make one's life unbalanced. Don't fall for the "philosophically correct" interpretation of Buddhism, which may tell you that all those good qualities are also extremes to be abandoned in the goal of Middle Way. Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: "donald hwong" <> Contentment is not satisfaction and not joy. Contentment is a state of want-nothing. >>if we could put our best foot forward to let go our > reaction to the effects of all existing forms, not be affected by it, > just accept as is, we end our suffering.>> If we want nothing, then why will we want to put our best foot forward? I think if Buddhism had become the predominant religion of the world, we would all be living in huts and caves right now. That might not be a bad thing, but to some degree buddhism is demotivating and defuses desire, ambition, determination, perseverence, and many other qualities that are essential for success in society. Is Buddhism for people who are vegetables, or is it just a tool to reduce stress? --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!