--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "cid830" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> what are the precepts?

Knowledge of Buddhist Precepts, Refuges, etc..., are not a pre-requiste 
for practicing zen.  In fact in most cases they are, as is all 
knowledge, a hindrance.

The only thing necessary to practice zen, if that is your interest, is 
to sit - meaning do zazen.  Pacticing zazen clears your mind of all 
intellectual and emotional clutter, including concepts such as 
precepts, refuges, right:wrong, I:you, beginner:sensei, etc...

Forget about all the other things you have read or been taught.  Just 
sit.  That's enough.  Anything else is too much...Bill!

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