I gave up going to Zen temples a while back because there was not much to be gained in terms of socializing or sharing or anything else. Most of the times it seems that the visitors are just going there to do a brief session of zazen and then get the hell out of there. So there wasn't any sitting outside by the cafe talking about Dogen over espresso. It was just people showing up, sitting and then leaving. Half the people never even made eye contact with anyone else, much less say hello. I imagine the experience is much different for monks and others who spend more time at the temple.
I can meditate by myself, but I like the gym environment better for focus and a sense of shared purpose. Working out is a lot like meditating. I think you can reach the same level of mental silence while working out as what you can achieve meditating. The typical gym has cuter women than the typical zen temple, and it is a lot cheaper for an annual membership (or at least the same price). The best thing about a gym is that there aren't any holier-the-thou types. Let me correct that. There are some people who are not talking to anyone just like at a zen temple. I guess that just makes the similarity even closer. I think zazen is just a matter of focus and concentration on your breathing. Emptying the mind occurs in almost any activity where you put all your concentration into it. Even sex is like zazen, except much better. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/