Hi! Thanks for the response Bill. Needless to say there are lots of things I 
would like to comment on in your post but I'm literally (well, almost 
literally) running out the door to catch the ferry from Shanghai to Osaka (not 
quite bonny Scotland)!! As soon as I get an opportunity to respond I will give 
you a broadside! Later, Mike.


----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Smart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 10 February, 2008 7:23:58 PM
Subject: SV: RE: [Zen] Re: D.L.

Mike,

Saying 'everything we do or don't do is political' is true only for 
those who see everything from a political perspective. It's the same 
as saying 'everything we do or don't do is zen' - and that's said a lot 
on this forum. That's true too, from a certain perspective.

There's an important essay that touches on this written by Arthur 
Koestler in the 1940's and entitled THE YOGI AND THE COMMISSAR. It 
examines what he believes are the two approachs to engender change in 
the world (save all sentient beings). He examines 'change from 
without' (politcal - embodied by the commissar - change the system and 
you allow people the space to change themselves) and 'change from 
within' (spiritual - embodied by the yogi - change yourself and you 
will inspire others to change eventually changing the system).

I choose the approach of 'change from within' and the method of zen. 
Others choose 'change from without' and the method of polictics.

So...I'll take the high road 'n you take the low road...n' I'll get 
t'Scotland 'afor yee!

...Bill!

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com, mike brown <uerusuboyo@ ...> wrote:
>
> I think your opinion is very well put, but in response to Bill's 
assertion that what has the political situation in Tibet got to with 
Zen I would say that everything we do as members of a society has 
political ramifications. Even if we do nothing, claiming to be 
apolitical, we still end up unwittingly supporting the status quo. 
Further, what about the vows repeated daily in Zen temples everywhere 
to save countless beings? Could it be argued that by doing nothing to 
help people practice freedom of religion (in this case towards 
Enlightenment) against state control we might pave the way for state 
control of religion (or individual practice of that religion) in 
countries where Zen itself is practiced? Again, everything we do (or 
not do), is political.
> 





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