.a more meaningful response:


This is my theory.

(We don't need no stinkin' badges!)


I can't site any sutra chapter and verse, but I've been taught that an
enlightened being has 'escaped the wheel of life and death', which means to
me has transcended karma.  Also I've been taught that a  'bodhisattva' is
defined as an enlightened being who has 'escaped the wheel of life and
death', but has chosen to stay in this life in human form to help others.

Another reference, and the one which started me thinking about all this - at
least from the zen perspective, I'd already thought about it a lot from the
rationalistic perspective - is the 10 Ox Herding Verses/Drawings.  The last
verse/drawing shows the fully enlightened being (a buddha or bodhisattva)
returning to the village holding a jug of wine and carrying a fish he
presumably caught.  This to me depicts a being no longer subject to karma
such as drinking alcohol or eating meat which are prohibited in most
Buddhist sects.



From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Al
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Subject: Re: [Zen] Dear Bill


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] self is an illusion (maya), so no beings actually have a
self. Karma is also maya, and is only applicable to beings that have the
illusion of self. Since an enlightened being does not have the illusion of
self, so also does not have the illusion of karma.>

Is this just your personal theory, or does it have a basis on some


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