Jody, Thanks for your post. It gives me the opportunity to better explain my perspective on chanting.
Jody wrote: >You described that chanting should be sounds with no meaning or chants from other languages that we don't understand. I did recommend this and stand by that recommendation. >But if the chants are in foreign languages, then the people who speak those languages UNDERSTAND what the chants mean. I think this is just a misunderstanding of what I meant. I used 'foreign' is a relative term, not an absolute term. In other words, what is a foreign language to you (Chinese or Russian) is not a foreign language to a Chinese or a Russian. Maybe English is a foreign language to them, or maybe the Chinese language is foreign to the Russian. The point of this is I recommend that if you use sounds from a language, pick a language that you don't know, don't speak and don't understand. >I personally think that knowing what a chant means ADDS to it's value rather then taking away. I believe that is true for you, but I do not agree. The perspective on this all depends on WHY you are chanting. I can only tell you why I chant (which I used to do, but now don't do very often). I chant for the same reason I sit zazen: to experience Buddha Mind. To experience Buddha Mind I do not need to ADD anything, in fact I need to SUBTRACT. I need to CEASE (subtract) all my illusions* of DUALITY, which includes the duality of VALUE/NO-VALUE and most importantly the duality of SELF/OTHER. These illusions are the products of my RATIONAL MIND, so I need to STOP its activities. If I am THINKING about what I am chanting then I am exercising my rational mind and will not be able to cease my dualistic illusions - and not be able to experience Buddha Mind. This is why I chant and this is why I believe you should chant sounds with no meaning (to you). Jody: Why do you chant or want to chant? What have you chosen to chant, and why? Thanks...Bill! * You actually only have to cease attachment to illusions, not illusions themselves; but that is just a further complexity that doesn't affect this discussion at this point. ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/