Indeed, world of labels and concepts are easy traps for us to fall, 
often it is coupled with the desire to know more and worse with the 
pride that we do.
_/\_

Edgar Owen wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Jue Miao,
>
>
> Yes, everything needed is present at every moment (though your 
> terminology 'within us' is incorrect since it implies a self). The 
> only question is how best to realize that. Your emails are your 
> approach to that as mine are mine. Intellectual understanding is 
> useful primarily as it helps to recognize and avoid modes of thought 
> which interfere with realization, but as you say intellectual 
> understanding in itself is not realization, it is merely the finger, 
> not the moon.
>
> Best,
> Edgar
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2008, at 3:32 AM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote:
>
>> Hi Edgar, Is there a need to "understand" what is "pure" and what is 
>> "consciousness"? Don't we already had everything within us? Originally 
>> pure. Originally sufficient. Originally unmovable. JM
>>
>> Edgar Owen wrote:
>> >
>> > Jue Miao,
>> >
>> >
>> > Of course direct experience not words is real Zen. That in fact is 
>> > what my papers all say though apparently you haven't read them. On 
>> > this group however we have to use words to communicate. The question 
>> > then becomes which words are more effective in eliciting or pointing 
>> > at direct experience? That of course will be different for different 
>> > people and different circumstances. By understanding what pure 
>> > consciousness really is and what keeps us from directly experiencing 
>> > it we can move beyond words to the direct experience itself. 
>> >
>> > Edgar
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Aug 29, 2008, at 1:14 PM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote:
>> >
>> >> Jody, You are right. The whole is the universal consciousness. All 
>> >> practices leads to "sync" us with the whole. While someone like Edgar, 
>> >> may analysis, theorize, understand, so called consciousness (just a 
>> >> label), or chanting or breathing (just a dharma), surrender all minds, 
>> >> big or small, rational or otherwise, is the quickest way to be synced 
>> >> with "whole". Every which other way could be a detour or incomplete. JM
>> >>
>> >> Jody W. Ianuzzi wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Hello Bill,
>> >> >
>> >> > As much as I appreciate the Soto Zen methods of meditation, I am also
>> >> > curious about the Tibetan methods of focusing on an image of 
>> >> > compassion and
>> >> > moving towards it. I will use both methods at different times.
>> >> >
>> >> > The chant I use is OM MANI PADME HUM. I found that when I learned 
>> it's
>> >> > meaning I appreciated it more. I think that using this chant is like
>> >> > counting breaths, it keeps your mind from jumping around.
>> >> >
>> >> > As I first discovered Buddhism I thought I had to pick which was 
>> best, 
>> >> > now I
>> >> > feel that Buddhism is Buddhism and all the ways are the same. 
>> It's all 
>> >> > part
>> >> > of the whole.
>> >> >
>> >> > I just appreciate learning something new every day.
>> >> > JODY
>> >> >
>> >> > JODY
>> >> >
>> >> > 
>> >>
>> >
>> > 
>>
>
>  

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