I do not post in HTML either. The point you are missing, my pointy-headed 
friend, is that you still have to un-convert the received post from HTML to 

Usually you can do this by going into HTML mode and then converting right back 
into PLAIN TEXT thus everything goes into PLAIN TEXT. 

I did not really explain this to you very well, I guess I was goofing off when 
I sent you my last private message. Make sure not to let on that I am often 
goofing off as some people take me seriously and that makes it easier to goof 
on them when they least expect it. 

Think of all the interesting Zen topics that have come about? I have really 
enjoyed this year of the Zen Forum. Last year was pretty harsh, but then I 
guess that reflected my own participation too. 

You get out of it what you put into it. I have a whole list of these 
motivational phrases that really mean nothing. Yet when I think of them as 
meaningless that is a bit depressing. So I am going to empower them with the 
illusion of motivating me. Cynicism and hope may both be illusions, but some 
illusions are better than others. 


Dogen Fan Club

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bill Smart 
  To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 8:31 PM
  Subject: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO


  Thanks so much for your private email. I'm glad you didn't post it 
  to the forum so we didn't have to air my dirty laundry online.

  You may not have been reading my posts lately, by that I mean the 
  past several months, and I don't blame you if you haven't been 
  reading them, but if you had you'd have noticed that I have been 
  posting in text and not HTML for some time.

  You might send another one of your private emails to JMJM and remind 
  him of the HTML problems.

  Happy chi! ...Bill! 

  --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Fitness63" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  > Dear Billy,
  > You seem to have many issues with your internet experience. YAHOO 
  changed its formatting about a year ago, and now it is not possible 
  to copy and cut parts of HTML messages. So you must convert to plain 
  text when you reply in order to be able to take out parts of the 
  > If you have Microsoft Outlook it is the FORMAT button that you 
  click and then click "plain text." 
  > You can now reply like any normal person and nobody will be the 
  wiser. I did not want to embarrass you so I sent this email 
  > Best wishes, 
  > Al 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Bill Smart 
  > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 1:38 PM
  > Subject: [Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO
  > JMJM,
  > For some reason when I try to REPLY to your postings using the 
  > the text isn't copied into the REPLY space. I think that is 
  > you are using HTML to write your postings and not text. Anyway, 
  > reproduced your posting below and my response follows:
  > JMJM wrote:
  > >Hi Bill,
  > >Thank you for your "thoughtful" reply. My question is not on 
  > >Buddha Nature level, but more on a everyday term. For 
  > >any witness to your health? Younger looking? Any awareness to 
  > >ego?  Any relationship improvements? Spiritual well being 
  such as 
  > >happier, etc. JM
  > That's a hard question to answer. I don't know how I would have 
  > out if I hadn't got involved in zen, so I don't know what 
  attributes I 
  > now have that I could attribute to zen. But, I'll take a guess. 
  > list some of my current attributes that I notice are somewhat 
  > than the majority of other people, and that I have a hunch have 
  > something to due to my zen practice:
  > - I enjoy good health for my age (62). I am overweight, but 
  > fairly active. People guess my age at mid-40's.
  > - I am usually very calm and thoughtful. Not much rattles me. I 
  > aware when my ego starts acting up (like anger, desires, 
  > etc...) When it does I am usually able to immediately 'step back' 
  > deal with the situation as a disinterested 3rd party.
  > - I have always enoyed good relationships with family, friends, 
  > companions and my spouse. A lot of people consider me a very good 
  > even best friend that I don't consider especially good friends of 
  > mine. Many people come to me for advice. My first marraige lasted 
  > years and ended amicably. I lived alone (as a bachelor) for about 
  > years. My second and current marraige is 5 years old and is a 
  > and loving relationship.
  > I dont think I have any spirituality. I don't need anything more 
  > I get from shikantaza (zazen - clear mind) to bring me 
  > Sometimes I am very happy and sometimes I am sad, but that all 
  > in front of a background of contentment.
  > I am a Capricorn. My favorite color is blue and my lucky number 
  > 3. ... Just kidding ;>)...
  > But...as to what all parts of that self-profile above are 
  > to zen - I really don't know.
  > ...Bill!


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