"Bill Smart" wrote:I do remember reading Thoreau where he sat 
comtemplating in front of his cabin all day.  That was something  
probably very close to zazen, but he certainly didn't call it zazen.

OK, I go to the gym, do cardio for 30 minutes, listen to music, watch 
the TV monitors. Is that walking zazen (kinhin)? Does that count? What 
if I get in the zone? what if I have a moment of illumination? What if 
I prayed or chanted during cardio? 


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