JMJM, 'Satori' is a term used in Japanese Zen Buddhism to describe the first awakening. It is thought to come suddenly (even though there might have been a lot of preparation), and is thought to be temporary (does not last a long time - maybe just minutes with a strong memory or sense of what it was like lasting for days and months). There is thought to be a difference in 'satori' and 'enlightenment' only in degree of awareness and durability (how long it lasts) of the experience. Fundamentally awakening is awakening. There is no difference.
In Japanese Zen Buddhism teachings, after satori, would come a regimine of either continued zazen (shikantaza) or koan study - or both. Both of these would be done under the tutelege of a zen roshi who would direct the students teaching during dokusans (private interviews). Dokusans are usually daily, but depending on the number of students could be more or less than that. During this period the roshi helps the student refine his/her awakening experience so that it can be gradually incorporated into the everyday activies of the student. This is the way I was taught in a Japanese Zen Buddhist zendo many years ago. All of this does not now represent my current understanding of 'enlightenment' (Just THIS!). ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - è¦ºå¦ç²¾æ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, What I meant was, Edgar mentioned enlightenment comes after Satori. > Is there anything else we could to do to realize that? How about to be > Buddha? Do you talk about any of these? Do you talk about merit? Or > just slap on your face? Thanks, Donald ? > > Bill Smart wrote: > > > > After satori some lose the ability to write complete sentences and > > respond to everything in loosely connected phrases... > > > > Just kidding! ;>) > > > > Siminotes, Welcome! I haven't seen you on the forum before. I hope > > you will continue to participate. I enjoy your posts. I especially > > enjoyed one a few posts ago in which you posted: > > > > "Self arises and dissapears with interaction." > > > > "The Self is a by product, not a permanent thing." > > > > I liked this description a lot....Bill! > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > "siminotes" <dscochrain@> wrote: > > > > > > peace and serenity... > > > > > > and nothing special.....living our lives and learning to be more > > > skillful. > > > > > > no difference, satori no satori.... > > > > > > just more aware... > > > > > > nothing special.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Jue Miao Jing Ming - Ã¨Â¦ÂºÃ¥Â¦â¢Ã§Â²Â¾Ã¦ËÅ½ > > > <chan.jmjm@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > > > What does your teaching say, if any, what to do after Satori? > > > > > > > > Of course, all teaching by itself is maya. But the teacher may > > > have > > > > said something.... > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > JM > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/