I certainly agree that zazen can have the benefits that you state,
having done quite a bit of sitting myself. However my point is that
there are other ways which in my case at least are now more effective
in keeping me on the path. Basically just constantly remembering to
look at reality....
Now please pardon me, I have to do my laundry!
On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:19 AM, mike brown wrote:
In terms of talking about what happens after satori, I like the
title of the book 'After the Ecstasy - the Laundry' (forgot the
author). To my mind, this does kind of imply the ordinariness of
our true, natural state. I think that people here are getting to
hung up about what satori is and once experienced is enlightenment
forever. As you know, enlightenment is a moment to moment
experience and one can slip from one ox-herding stage to another in
an instance. I think this is the main difference between our way of
thinking. I believe that Zen and the practice of zazen helps to
keep a person mindful of their emotions day to day and moment to
moment and so helps them recognise the desires and aversions that
lead towards unhappiness. A person who has a spontaneous kensho or
who loses their sense of self in a sporting activity/nature/
listening to music etc. will rarely achieve this a second time and
will almost certainly never intergrate this into a daily practice
designed to 'bring the ox home'. Mike.