JMJM, There are many links which show these pictures. You can google 'zen oxherding' or go to http://www.shambhala.org/dharma/ctr/oxherding/.
...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If that is the case in Ox Herding, (I don't know what that is, please > provide link), then it coincide with our school's teaching. After > Satori, then one liberates every sentient being. In other words, enter > the mud and grow the lotus. Or cultivate the merit, on the way to > Buddhahood. Or the stage of consummation/resolutions. JM > > Bill Smart wrote: > > > > Mike and Edgar, > > > > First there is a mountain, > > Then there is no mountain, > > Then there is. > > > > The last picture in the Ox Herding series is the enlignented being > > returning to the market place (everyday life), not ascending to > > heaven in a blaze of glory. > > > > What is after satori? When hungy, I eat. When tired, I sleep. Oh > > yeah, and then there's the laundry. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > > > I certainly agree that zazen can have the benefits that you state, > > > having done quite a bit of sitting myself. However my point is > > that > > > there are other ways which in my case at least are now more > > effective > > > in keeping me on the path. Basically just constantly remembering > > to > > > look at reality.... > > > > > > Now please pardon me, I have to do my laundry! > > > > > > Best, > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:19 AM, mike brown wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Edgar, > > > > > > > > In terms of talking about what happens after satori, I like the > > > > title of the book 'After the Ecstasy - the Laundry' (forgot the > > > > author). To my mind, this does kind of imply the ordinariness of > > > > our true, natural state. I think that people here are getting to > > > > hung up about what satori is and once experienced is > > enlightenment > > > > forever. As you know, enlightenment is a moment to moment > > > > experience and one can slip from one ox-herding stage to another > > in > > > > an instance. I think this is the main difference between our way > > of > > > > thinking. I believe that Zen and the practice of zazen helps to > > > > keep a person mindful of their emotions day to day and moment to > > > > moment and so helps them recognise the desires and aversions > > that > > > > lead towards unhappiness. A person who has a spontaneous kensho > > or > > > > who loses their sense of self in a sporting activity/nature/ > > > > listening to music etc. will rarely achieve this a second time > > and > > > > will almost certainly never intergrate this into a daily > > practice > > > > designed to 'bring the ox home'. Mike. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
