I'd be really interested in an example of how, "..remembering to look at
reality" works and how you do this. I'm not being smug here, it's just that I
find if I don't sit for a while I inevitably backslide into samsara. Of course,
I can 'look at reality' off the mat, but zazen to me is like a recharging of
the batteries and is the place I can deepen my practice. I just wonder that if
people who have had a glimpse and stop sitting are missing out by not deepening
their experience in zazen. Mike.
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From: Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, 19 September, 2008 21:48:56
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori
I certainly agree that zazen can have the benefits that you state, having done
quite a bit of sitting myself. However my point is that there are other ways
which in my case at least are now more effective in keeping me on the path.
Basically just constantly remembering to look at reality....
Now please pardon me, I have to do my laundry!
On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:19 AM, mike brown wrote:
In terms of talking about what happens after satori, I like the title of the
book 'After the Ecstasy - the Laundry' (forgot the author). To my mind, this
does kind of imply the ordinariness of our true, natural state. I think that
people here are getting to hung up about what satori is and once experienced is
enlightenment forever. As you know, enlightenment is a moment to moment
experience and one can slip from one ox-herding stage to another in an
instance. I think this is the main difference between our way of thinking. I
believe that Zen and the practice of zazen helps to keep a person mindful of
their emotions day to day and moment to moment and so helps them recognise the
desires and aversions that lead towards unhappiness. A person who has a
spontaneous kensho or who loses their sense of self in a sporting
activity/nature/ listening to music etc. will rarely achieve this a second time
and will almost certainly never intergrate this into a daily
practice designed to 'bring the ox home'. Mike.