Thank you, Bill.  JM

Bill Smart wrote:

JMJM,

There are many links which show these pictures. You can google 'zen
oxherding' or go to http://www.shambhala.org/dharma/ctr/oxherding/.

...Bill!

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]..> wrote:
>
> If that is the case in Ox Herding, (I don't know what that is,
please
> provide link), then it coincide with our school's teaching. After
> Satori, then one liberates every sentient being. In other words,
enter
> the mud and grow the lotus. Or cultivate the merit, on the way to
> Buddhahood. Or the stage of consummation/resolutions. JM
>
> Bill Smart wrote:
> >
> > Mike and Edgar,
> >
> > First there is a mountain,
> > Then there is no mountain,
> > Then there is.
> >
> > The last picture in the Ox Herding series is the enlignented being
> > returning to the market place (everyday life), not ascending to
> > heaven in a blaze of glory.
> >
> > What is after satori? When hungy, I eat. When tired, I sleep. Oh
> > yeah, and then there's the laundry.
> >
> > ...Bill!
> >
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ps.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > >
> > > I certainly agree that zazen can have the benefits that you
state,
> > > having done quite a bit of sitting myself. However my point is
> > that
> > > there are other ways which in my case at least are now more
> > effective
> > > in keeping me on the path. Basically just constantly remembering
> > to
> > > look at reality....
> > >
> > > Now please pardon me, I have to do my laundry!
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Edgar
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:19 AM, mike brown wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Edgar,
> > > >
> > > > In terms of talking about what happens after satori, I like
the
> > > > title of the book 'After the Ecstasy - the Laundry' (forgot
the
> > > > author). To my mind, this does kind of imply the ordinariness
of
> > > > our true, natural state. I think that people here are getting
to
> > > > hung up about what satori is and once experienced is
> > enlightenment
> > > > forever. As you know, enlightenment is a moment to moment
> > > > experience and one can slip from one ox-herding stage to
another
> > in
> > > > an instance. I think this is the main difference between our
way
> > of
> > > > thinking. I believe that Zen and the practice of zazen helps
to
> > > > keep a person mindful of their emotions day to day and moment
to
> > > > moment and so helps them recognise the desires and aversions
> > that
> > > > lead towards unhappiness. A person who has a spontaneous
kensho
> > or
> > > > who loses their sense of self in a sporting activity/nature/
> > > > listening to music etc. will rarely achieve this a second time
> > and
> > > > will almost certainly never intergrate this into a daily
> > practice
> > > > designed to 'bring the ox home'. Mike.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

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