Hi Edgar, How is this "more evidence" that sitting zazen in a monastry (or not) is a waste of time? I would argue that if Margie had already been sitting when this insight occured (or discovered a Zen centre soon afterwards) her experience might have been far deeper. In fact, but for the synchronistic event of finding the book on zen she might never have 'built' on the experience. People fail at university all the time, but we wouldn't say that studying at one is often a waste of time. Mike.
----- Original Message ---- From: Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, 29 September, 2008 22:26:57 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori Margie, Very precise and to the point description. More evidence that sitting in a monastery doing zazen for years is often just a waste of time. Edgar On Sep 29, 2008, at 7:37 AM, roloro1557 wrote: One way I can describe my experience of Satori is that it was a complete obliteration of all the overlays on my consciousness: language, thought, future, past, role (wife, mother, etc). Even my body disappeared (female, sore left arm, whether I was dressed, etc). All the overlays foisted on me by culture, other people and my own ego-self just completely fell away in an instant. I didn't even know I'd had Satori until years later. I knew something "big" or extremely unusual had happened to me, but I had no words for it. I've never even discussed it until the last few years. But at the same time I never forgot it...I don't mean I thought about it all the time - it was just there quietly in the background. After Satori the genie is out of the bottle, so to speak. One goes back to "ordinary" life, even though one's life can never be "ordinary" again. It's a paradigm shift. One goes back to "ordinary" life with one's view of life radically and irrevocably changed. After Satori??? I fixed breakfast. Margie (roloro1557)