At the time of the experience I had no real background in spirituality/religion at all (in fact I would say I was agnostic, but leaning heavily towards atheism). One evening watching tv it felt like I was struck in the face and all of a sudden all sound in the room ceased (even tho' the tv was still on). All objects took on a kind of blueish/crystaline hue like being inside a crystal cave and I was aware that all labels/concepts had disappeared. Everything looked just like it should in it's purity/simplicity without the web of labels/concepts we overlay things with. Although there were thoughts there was no 'I' experiencing them. Inside and outside boundaries completely vanished so that it felt like my head had been removed and had been replaced by the room, the immediate outside and the sky. Thoughts seemed to just 'hang' in this space and the most prevalant one was, "This is it! This is so simple and so Real!". I honestly thought that I could stay in this state permantely, or at least return to it at will (no such luck!). After about 20 mins of this 'clarity' I felt the most undescribable feeling of bliss travelling up my spine - like a kind of liquid love. If you can imagine the feeling of love when you first fall for someone, well, it was like that times a 100. I was overwhelmed with a feeling of gratitude for the liberating feeling of the experience (even tho' I felt completely unworthy of it), but I had no idea who to address this gratitude to. I guess the whole thing lasted about an hour and a half although there was no sense of time during it. Mike. ----- Original Message ---- From: Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 1 October, 2008 5:02:33 Subject: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori mike brown < My name is Mike and like you I had a spontaneous break thru', > What was that experience?