Right on, Brother Bill. Anything written down, spoken about are just forms to describe a direct "connection" to the universal life force and wisdom.
As Edgar stated numerous times, "nothing else matters...".... When we let go of our mind, we let go of our frame of reference. No more capable of judgment, comparison, categorization. No more suffering.... To lock in this synchronization, a chi based practice helps.. _/\_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Chris, > > In a recent post you wrote: > > >I do disagree with Bill's point that Zen has always > >stood alone and that other beliefs have tried to > >incorporate it, I believe it is the opposite, Zen > >has been isolated from Zen Buddhism and incorporated > >into other people's beliefs. Or something like that. > > This is an important point to me so I'd like to try to clarify it. > > If zen is indeed a 'direct experience of reality', then the capability for > that experience that has existed 'forever', or at least as long as > sentient > (self-aware) beings have existed. This experience certainly pre-dates > Siddhartha Gautama Buddha. That is why I say 'zen' pre-dates Buddhism, > Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc... > > I don't believe that 'other beliefs' (religions) have tried to INCORPORATE > it (zen)'; I believe a direct experience of reality (zen) is the BASIS for > all these other beliefs, and that the differences we see today are due to > different culturally-based terms used to describe this experience, and > lots > and lots of extraneous add-ons. > > For example when I read the Bible I interpret accounts of directly > communicating with God (like Moses) or with the Archangel Gabriel (like > Mohammed), or the experiences Jesus had after fasting for 40 days in the > wilderness as equivalent to the Japanese Zen Buddhist term 'satori'. I > believe these are accounts of people directly experiencing reality, > and then > trying to describe it in the best way they could. When Jesus says, 'I am > the Way, the Truth and the Light; and no one can come to the Father but by > me', to me he is saying 'I am not 'me' any longer. I am no longer just a > man, I'm the way, the truth, the light. I am no longer under the > delusion I > have a self that is different and separate from other beings and other > things. I am no longer under the delusion of duality. 'I' cease to exist. > There is Only THIS. 'I' am my experience, nothing more and nothing less. > And having this experience (direct experience of reality - zen) as I have, > is the only way for you to 'come to the Father' (come home, return to the > origin, realize your Buddha Nature, become enlightened). > > This is what I believe because I do believe most of the major > religions were > started with good intent, and since I don't believe in actual deities > I can > only assume the impetus for all of these is from the same source: > 'God', or > a direct experience of reality - or what I choose to call zen. > > All of this is just a comforting thought for me. It's not really important > in the long run. It's just a way I've found to rationalize other beliefs > without completely negating them. > > ...Bill! > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/