Bill, I was hoping you would chime in on that point. I know that often times it's a matter of symmantics or labels that we have to use to describe what you call JUST THIS!. I really don't want to go around and around defining terminologies. Siddharta Guatama is the one who found the path to enlightenment (so I have heard). Zen Buddhism, in my understanding, attempts to re-create that path through his teachings, while losing alot of the unneccessary dogma of traditional Buddhism. Was not that 'transmission' at Vulture Peak preceded by years of strict adherence to the Buddha's teaching of the path that he followed, as well as the knowledge he had learned from his enlightenment? That student had trained to be ready for that moment.
You practice zazen, a meditational technique to train yourself to dissolve the illusion of self. This, IMHO, is the one of the Buddha's teachings. Which other "religions" recommend this practice? Do you follow (or did you follow) any other teachings to get to this point? You even acknowlege the Buddha Nature, but you have re- defined it as JUST THIS? I agree with you that zen has always been there. Many of these other religions you mentioned were created to explain JUST THIS in their own way. But most of them that I have any knowledge of profess that there is a KEEPER of JUST THIS, and you must follow their teachings to experience it in the AFTER-LIFE. They say to "follow my finger to get to the moon" so-to-speak. I think you may be reading ALOT into the meaning of Jesus' sayings. Zen Buddhism does not worship the Buddha, we only show respect for the man for showing us the path. Not the only path, but a significant one nonetheless. It is my contention that you have followed a Zen Buddhist Path to get to this point, you do often mention the Buddha's teachings. I had been trying to 'strip' my Zen Buddhist beliefs from zen for the sake of discussion on this forum. I see that zen means different things to different people. Honestly, you have influenced me temendously on here and have caused me to re-think my Buddhism interlaced with my Zen. But, when Mike called me on it, I had to take a second look at what got me to this point. Do you practice Zen? Or is it just a concept? I would really like to know what makes up your practice today. With Deepest Regards, Chris ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/