Mike, Vipassana is a Theravada meditation technique, which is very good. During the development of Mahayana, Tibetan Buddhism added more things to the mythology, but they also invented useful techniques, if they work. On the other hand, zen has killed all mythology. These two branches have developed (not just copied) from the same source. What I am trying to do is to find useful approaches I can utilize. Regards, Anthony
--- On Thu, 9/10/08, mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Zen] In Heaven and on Earth To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 9 October, 2008, 6:18 PM Hi Anthony, Yes, I think so too. My point was that the Buddhist sutras paint Buddha to be a very ordinary man who made a very extraordinary discovery, free of ritual and spiritual mumbo-jumbo. If anything, Mahayana (to which Zen belongs), is more esoteric than the Theravada tradition, which rather surprised me. Mike. ----- Original Message ---- From: Anthony Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Sent: Thursday, 9 October, 2008 7:03:46 Subject: Re: [Zen] In Heaven and on Earth Hi Mike, I believe Buddha's meditation technique is a key path to enlightenment, not just for psychological treatment, though it also has that effect. Regards, Anthony --- On Wed, 8/10/08, mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED] co.uk> wrote: From: mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED] co.uk> Subject: Re: [Zen] In Heaven and on Earth To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Date: Wednesday, 8 October, 2008, 8:26 AM Hi Anthony, Yes, on my recent Vipassana retreat I was surprised to find out how 'stripped down' of mythology and spirituality Theravada is.. I believed quite the opposite. In fact it seems much less a religion than Mahayana is, especially because of the Bodhisattva ideal (which of course does not have to be taken literally). I would say that the sutras (taken far more seriously in Theravada) show Buddha to be much closer to a clinical therapist than a religous icon and his meditation more a breathing technique for psychological purposes than spiritual ones. Mike. ----- Original Message ---- From: Anthony Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Sent: Wednesday, 8 October, 2008 7:28:56 Subject: [Zen] In Heaven and on Earth Bill, I spent two years in Thailand building a chemical plant. But I was too busy making my worldly living to interact with local monks. However, I read a lot about good monks such as Ajahn Chah and Puthathat (maybe a wrong spelling). In my opinion, Theravada represents an 'original' Buddhism, as close to Buddha's teachings as you can find right now. I appreciate the fact that they don't have much mythology. When you come to Hong Kong or Singapore, though there are many good monks, some clear examples point to profiteering only. I don't see many who can walk the talk. The Bodhisatva ideal is for devotees only (with previlege). The mythology is as funny as saying the Buddha was able to walk, as soon as he was born, 7 steps in each direction, then proclaim, 'in heaven and on earth, I am the most worthy of honor'. So It takes a zen master to kill him and feed the body to hungry dogs. Regards, Anthony --- On Tue, 7/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] org <[EMAIL PROTECTED] org> wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] org <[EMAIL PROTECTED] org> Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: -----<---@ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Date: Tuesday, 7 October, 2008, 6:59 PM Anthony, I don't reconcile with Theravada. I interact with the local wats (temples) and the monks all the time. It's just another religious rip-off as far as I'm concerned. I've yet to meet any senior monks or temple heads that even seemed like good people, much less good representatives of Buddhism. Have you had any experiences with Theravada? ......Bill! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: -----<---@ Bill, I did not realize you are in Thailand! How do you reconcile with Theravada there? Regards, Anthony Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail. .com. What do you consider a Singaporean? Check it out quick on Yahoo Answers! Are Singaporean Chinese originally from China?