Not at all perversion. If you buy meat in a supermarket, you don't 'let' 
anybody kill an animal. It is already there in the store. Just like Sakyamuni 
going on an alm round and given some meat, he would not have said 'please give 
me only curry potato, as I don't eat meat.' He took everything that was given. 
It is fine if all stop killing, so we can all become vegetarians.

--- On Sun, 21/12/08, Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote:

From: Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Ducks Have Buddha Nature?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 21 December, 2008, 9:25 PM


This is a very perverted idea, that one can eat meat without karmic guilt, if 
you let someone else do the killing for you and let him get the bad karma.

It is just as bad as fundamentalists Christian belief that it is OK to sin over 
and over if at the end one repents his sins and accepts Christ he will be saved.

Both are perversions.


On Dec 21, 2008, at 4:22 AM, Anthony Wu wrote:

I believe 'Buddha nature' is a mahayana Buddhism's creation. I have not found 
original Buddhism literature mentioning the term. Some go as far as insisting 
that even stone has Buddha nature. Let us limit ourselves to sentient beings 
only who have Buddha nature. That means all animals, including roaches and 
vermin. When a pond was filled with water to kill insects, the Buddha allowed 
it, because the purpose was to clean the place, not to kill. By the same token, 
if we eat meat bought from a supermarket, we create little bad karma, because 
we don't do the killing. So animals are not created to be food. Therefore, 
Jesus says, 'don't kill sacrifice animals. Use my blood, to donate to God.' 
That is the highest ideal.. It is best to be a vegetarian. If you cannot resist 
eating delicious meat, try not to cause to kill, to avoid creating bad karma. 
Good luck.

--- On Sat, 20/12/08, Karin Machado <tortillera77@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Karin Machado <tortillera77@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Ducks Have Buddha Nature?
To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Saturday, 20 December, 2008, 9:54 PM

Are some animals created to be food and therefore have no Buddha Nature? Are 
plants and insects without Buddha Nature because they are at the bottom of the 
food chain??

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