Al, When you mentioned that "it is all here, and that is it", I thought you were on to something. But then the rest of the post proves otherwise.
I have experienced "heaven" on earth often with living in the moment, with breathing the air, with an awareness of all that's around me. I have lived it. While deep in my practice and with daily meditation. I have experienced some of these altered states, so you don't know your shit from Shinola! What is more pathetic, one who mistakenly believes they are living heaven on earth, in tune with his surroundings, and showing love and compassion for all living beings, or one who seems to hate where they are, is intolerant of others', and hopes to find a much better place AFTER they are dead. Your life, and your world, are what you make it. If your life and your world suck, it is YOU who has made it that way! Haven't we been here before? Yes, every day there is no end to the murders, rapes, killing of children, and numerous other horrible acts. And yes, this is as good as it gets. So deal with it. Accept the things you cannot change, change the things you can, and grow wise in knowing the difference. Pick a practice, and stick with it, I'm sure you'll see a difference soon! Chris --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "fitness4u2163" <fitness1...@...> wrote: > > "cid830" I don't have to rely on my "faith" to carry me into the > promised land, after I die! The Kingdom of Heaven is among us! > > > > > > That is as much a fantasy as anything else. To some degree it is a lot > worse and more pathetic to walk this earth thinking it is heaven. I > certainly hope that this is not as good as it gets. Read the news and > every day there is no end to the murders, rapes, killing of children, > and numerous other incidents that are much more horrible than anything > a normal person can imagine. > > By the way, in case you all haven't figured it out, satori is a pure > fantasy and all those altered states that are written about are the > purest form of bullshit ever created. When they say that there is no > there, they aren't kidding. It is all here, and that is it. Nothing > more. No nothing. You can sit your ass on a pillow for the rest of > eternity, and the only thing that will happen is the pillow will > stink. > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/