I see Heaven as well as Hell on earth. They are both Here! They are both Now! We must not attach to either. I believe the answer is somewhere in the middle. In a non-dualistic existence that can only be experienced through strict adherence to a certain belief system along with deep meditation.
Thank you, Bill! Chris --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote: > > Al is correct. Just THIS! Some of us think it's heaven and some of us > think it's hell. Whatever we think of it, it's Just THIS! > > ...Bill! > > From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of fitness4u2163 > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:13 AM > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God > > "cid830" I don't have to rely on my "faith" to carry me into the > promised land, after I die! The Kingdom of Heaven is among us! > > > > > > That is as much a fantasy as anything else. To some degree it is a lot > worse and more pathetic to walk this earth thinking it is heaven. I > certainly hope that this is not as good as it gets. Read the news and > every day there is no end to the murders, rapes, killing of children, > and numerous other incidents that are much more horrible than anything > a normal person can imagine. > > By the way, in case you all haven't figured it out, satori is a pure > fantasy and all those altered states that are written about are the > purest form of bullshit ever created. When they say that there is no > there, they aren't kidding. It is all here, and that is it. Nothing > more. No nothing. You can sit your ass on a pillow for the rest of > eternity, and the only thing that will happen is the pillow will > stink. > > > __________ NOD32 3741 (20090105) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/