Can you clarify What amoral system can ease some zen practitioners' conscience?
Some time ago, I admired Tantric Buddhism on their detailed treatment of the 
bardo system. But when I read further, I was scared of their sex rituals, which 
they claim can only be practised by the 'most advanced' practitioners. Is this 
a Buddhism? Of course, there is a place for playboys in this world, but not in 
a monastry, I think.

--- On Tue, 13/1/09, fitness4u2163 <> wrote:

From: fitness4u2163 <>
Subject: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Date: Tuesday, 13 January, 2009, 2:01 PM

Anthony Wu > Karma is the best thing to ensure moral values. As soon 
as they hear about moral values, many will say we are just dogmatic. >

It is disturbing to me that many who want to practice zen think it is 
some amoral system to ease their conscience every day so they can do 
evil to others while feeling a sense of peace and happiness. 


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