Hi Bill,

It hasn't been hard to 'transcend the plane' of some of the recent discussions! :-)


On Jan 13, 2009, at 9:36 AM, <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote:

Hi Edgar! I haven't seen posts from you in a while. I thought maybe you'd transcended this plane into a higher one. Thanks for your post and your

I think your reading of my post as stating that perceptions (such as sense of touch) are not illusory, and deducing from that statement that I said "...aspects of the objective world are not illusory" is invalid, although I could see where you could make that interpretation. It all depends on how
and to what you apply the term 'aspect'.

Your dualistic mind creates the objective world. It is an illusion.
Perceptions are not aspects of an objective world. The objective world is an aspect of your dualistic mind. Your immediate perceptions (like sense of touch), prior to any intellectualizations, are real. They are aspects of
your Buddha Nature. As soon as you exercise your dualistic mind and
intellectualize your perceptions, like classifying them as good or bad, you
are creating illusions.

I used the word 'pain' in my original because Anthony used it. I always try to directly address a post if I'm responding to it. I've the term 'sense of touch' in this post to be more precise. 'Pain' could be interpreted as an unpleasant or undesirable sense of touch. As soon as you classify the sense
of touch as unpleasant or undesirable then you're intellectualizing.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify this.


From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Edgar Owen
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:21 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God


You are actually saying that aspects of the objective world are not
illusory! I'm amazed. That is not Buddhism, Buddhism states that everything,
that is all forms, are illusory. I think you just shot your own Buddha
nature in the foot!

Care to clarify?

That being said I certainly agree that there are different 'levels' of
illusion since the veils of illusion are multiple and overlapping.


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