I am not reading any books at this moment. I am reading your posts. 
How do you respond to the pain, after you prick your thigh with a needle? I 
have trouble believing you consider it illusion.

--- On Tue, 13/1/09, <> wrote:

From: <>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God
Date: Tuesday, 13 January, 2009, 9:09 PM


If you have a problem with the idea that 'everything is illusory', then you 
have a problem with most of Buddhism and certainly with zen.

Actually, EVERYTHING is not illusory - but everything that comes about through 
intellectualization is. Certainly Newton's Laws are illusory. They're the 
product of his intellect. Your understanding of them is the product of your 
intellect. Intellectualization s are illusory.

Pain is not illusory. Starving and dying are not illusory. SUFFERING from pain 
or starving or dying is illusory.

The idea that all suffering is illusion is the basic tenant of Buddhism. What 
books have you been reading lately?


From: zen_fo...@yahoogrou [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogrou] On Behalf 
Of Anthony Wu
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:08 PM
To: zen_fo...@yahoogrou
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: The Reason For God


Yes, I think accountability is a more appropriate word.

However, I still have problems with your idea that everything is illusory.

Do you also think Newton's law is illusory.

I suggest you try pricking your thigh with a needle. Is the pain also illusory?

So many people starve, die, and suffer from all kinds of pain. Are they 



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