Your comment reminds me of the koan about what your face looked like before you
Perhaps that IS a meditation koan DP could ponder;)
As to the post suggesting that everyone is , or must be afraid of death beit
consciously or not-- I must respectfully disagree. Such an awareness is unique
to each of us. Not to mention that to make such generalizations is merely a
projection on their part.
I met a man last spring who kept popping up in my life like an old penny. We
had little in common and with vastly different life tracts. Over time, I have
truly been touched and enriched by this man, even though many things about
him bug the hell out of me.
He knows more about death than I'll ever know or want to....
At 19, in Vietnam, he was captured and tortured for months. Beaten routinely,
he still has residual injuries today. I just got off the phone with him, as
he is awaiting final audiology checks to complete his paperwork for his
military pension. He will be 60 in October. After his tour in Nam, he went
back to school, married and had a son. As part of a humanitarian corp, he and
his family moved to the Middle East. His wife and son were killed by a car
bomb in Beirut. He has travelled the world, helping out in the most difficult
and dangerous places on the globe.
When he returned to the USA, he worked in law inforcement in NYC, NY. One day
he was struck by a drunk driver, and was nearly killed. He was in a coma and
spent months in the hospital. He was left with many physical disabilities and
memory problems. He needed a new career, and went back to school to study the
ministry. He was a minister when the terrorist attack came on 9/11. He spent
48-hour days in the heart of the crisis as a minister also trained in law
enforcement. Due to the severe environmental toxins at Ground Zero, he now
has severe liver damage , and is on a transplant list. He is diabetic.. has no
teeth.. and can barely walk. Yet this man perseveres.
I have no idea what this man sees in me, but he cares so much about
me--without really knowing very much about me. He has an endless array of
annoying habits. And he humbles me to the core.
Who do I think I am to moan about my life disappointments? He has lived a
dozen lives already in his 60 years.
I've learned from him that fear of death is an egoistic mindset. It truly
doesn't matter when I die.
What matters is what I do right now and today to help others, and offer
whatever I have to them. What gifts we each have within ourselves do not
exist for our own comfort and pleasures. They exist to be used to help and
connect with others.
--- On Mon, 8/30/10, Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote:
From: Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Death
Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 4:55 AM
Why on earth would anyone be worried about death? After all you won't be around
or conscious to experience it! Remember you were dead before you were born. Do
you worry about not being alive before you were born? Of course not. Then why
worry about being dead after you're dead? Same thing exactly. You'll be in
exactly the same state, or rather no state at all. Death is entirely an
illusion and an illusory fear.
And even if you are still worried about death the best answer to that is simply
to immerse yourself completely in the present moment and enjoy it and forget
death. After all death doesn't exist. That is your death will never exist for
you. All that will ever exist for you is life!
On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:11 PM, DP wrote:
I will check them out. I appreciate your words. I guess I was frustrated with
other zen groups, where I only received vague platitudes and rhetorical
questions along the lines of "why be afraid of death?" Which I understand but
have a problem implementing.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Rose P <things_r...@...> wrote:
> Hi DP
> I've read your posts and the replies you've gotten with interest. I don't
> have much information, zen wise,Â to offer with regards death and the fear of
> it, although I do *get* where you're coming from. Some of the others will
> hopefullyÂ post on this subject perhaps. What I have found extremely useful
> is the site www.dharmaseed.org. I try to listen to at least one talk a day.
> In terms of repetitive, troublesomeÂ thoughts, there are some fairly good
> talks given by a teacher called Gloria Ambrosia. I've only been using the
> site for a month or so, so I'm sure there's a wealth of other stuff on there
> that could be checked out, and might be of some use.
> Take care,
> --- On Sun, 8/29/10, DP <dave.dplat...@...> wrote:
> From: DP <dave.dplat...@...>
> Subject: [Zen] Death
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 2:59 PM
> ARe there any good meditations I can do which helps me deal with my fear of
> death? I just finished Thich Nhat Hanh's No Death No Fear, and I liked it,
> but I feel such a hard time getting around the idea of continuance - it's too
> much for my materialist mind. So maybe I need a different tack...
> How do I confront the reality of death with the aim towards lessening my fear
> of this?