Perhaps to be afraid of death is not a problem.  Perhaps you can investigate
what this fear of death is in your psyche and life?

Do not be afraid of death, all religions say this, but you don't have to get
upset just because your mind is doing something like fearing death says
zazen.

--Chris

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:06 AM, <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote:

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>  DP,
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> Rest assured that none of us have ‘figured it out’.  I believe that is so
> because there is really nothing to ‘figure out’.  This is saying the same
> thing as Zen Master Seung Shan’s (a contemporary zen master living in Rhode
> Island) ‘Don’t Know’ mind teachings.
>
>
>
> There are many, many things in this universe that we just can’t ‘know’.
> That’s either because we don’t have the capacity to know them, or they are
> not rational so are indeed ‘unknowable’.  This is okay.  We don’t have to
> know everything to be happy.  We just need to accept the ‘Don’t Know’ mind
> and go forward with it.  It will not lead you astray.
>
>
>
> I do think K’s (salik888) suggestion below concerning Albert Ellis is worth
> checking out.   I don’t know anything about him, but it might be helpful.
>  Just use your own judgment, trust your own judgment, on whether or not his
> teachings or therapies feel ‘right’ to you.  This is your ‘Don’t Know’
> mind.  It won’t lead you astray.
>
>
>
> …Bill!
>
>
>
> *From:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *DP
> *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 9:51 PM
> *To:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* [Zen] Re: Death
>
>
>
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> Namaste, and thank you.
>
> I will think long and hard about your words (I've been doing zazen for
> awhile now, but not without difficulty).
>
> I do find some of the comments (and I apologize to anyone here) a little
> condescending, like "you haven't figured that out yet?" On another site, I
> just got cryptic comments like "fear of death is fear of life," which didn't
> really help at all.
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, "salik888"
> <novelid...@...> wrote:
> >
> > Peace
> >
> > I think there are two things you can do. And I want to take this time to
> tell you not to become discouraged by posters that offer obvious solutions
> and realizations that are supposedy inherent to their way of living and
> thinking. I can tell that it is not useful. You are not going to be able to
> think yourself out of this one though.
> >
> >
> > Here is what I have found. Anyone who is telling you that they are not
> afraid of death, you have to assume that they are lying -- lying to
> themselves and others. Even if they are wandering around not thinking about
> it, they are avoiding thinking about about it, or sensing it.
> >
> > In your case, you have expressed a compulsive disorder with death. I
> would do the following.
> >
> > Bill Smart and others here can reaffirm of give you explanation of Zazen,
> to bring Shikan Taza into your life. I would begin a good practice of Zazen
> and stick to it. Put great emphasis (still thinking, thus fearing) observing
> your thoughts, non grasping, just letting them go. You can do this with your
> Zazen.
> >
> > Having said that, the practical matter of things is that you have to walk
> around in your life and deal with this throughout your day. I would expose
> yourself to the work of Albert Ellis, the cognitive psychologist who started
> REBT Therapy. There has been some analysis written on his work and Zen,
> since he is basically a sort of ego as function sort of Philosopher. He
> doesn't believe in enlightenment that I know of, but what he does offer is
> thinking as function and the refuting of obsessional thinking. These two
> together may be helpful. I have seen Albert Ellis's Therapy help many
> people. It is very practical and very useful.
> >
> > Of course I always recommend reading only within of context of learning,
> the whole idea of Sufis "learning how to learn, knowing how to know, etc . .
> ."
> >
> > To the Sufi way of thinking, fear of death operates out of the lower
> self, the commanding self, that has been conditioned and enhanced by culture
> and the false self (ego). Operating out of the realm can be useful if your
> intention is to transcend it, in fact, the fear of death can be more of
> blessing than someone who mindlessly goes around says, "well when I'm dead I
> won't know it." Oftentimes they are just ameliorating themselves with their
> own mind candy.
> >
> > Keep this in mind, all human beings fear death in some proportion, you
> are just tuning into it. However, it is possible to use this on the so
> called path.
> >
> > Sometimes with people Yahoo Groups of the so called religious nature you
> get posters who are really just posting for themselves, transmitting and
> projecting something they want to feel or sense, and want others to feed
> back to them. So, don't pay much attention to them.
> >
> > Having said that, it really is about Zazen, and feeling a certain
> intention and gratitude toward working with your obsession, for it can help
> you in the end. No pun intended . . .
> >
> > K among the deathers
> >
> > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, "DP"
> <dave.dplatt72@> wrote:
> > >
> > > ARe there any good meditations I can do which helps me deal with my
> fear of death? I just finished Thich Nhat Hanh's No Death No Fear, and I
> liked it, but I feel such a hard time getting around the idea of continuance
> - it's too much for my materialist mind. So maybe I need a different tack...
> > >
> > > How do I confront the reality of death with the aim towards lessening
> my fear of this?
> > >
> >
>
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