I can't speak for others of course. What I'm saying is the opposite,
much of the "zen" practiced in the US is shallow. This is partly because many 
people in the US are shallow, but it is also because many "teachers" and 
"masters" and other so-called experts are out to make money (as we have been 
discussing in another thread) rather that actually teach.

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane <ch...@...> wrote:
> Surely you aren't saying that Zen has made the US more shallow?  


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