Bill-

*BIG smile*

Exactly!

Thank you so much,
Artie


--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
>
> Artie,
> 
> There is nothing that needs to be done.  True.
> 
> As in the case of a 'Beloved'.  There is nothing that needs to be done.
> Love is complete unto itself.  If you truly love someone you don't need to
> do anything more.  Loving is enough.
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of roloro1557
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:52 AM
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Rumi -- Jewels of Remembrance
> 
>   
> Bill-
> 
> Alright :-) If we are going to look at it this way then there is nothing
> that needs to be "done", "worshiped", "sought after", etc, and etc. People
> already have the Buddha Nature, or the Beloved- it's just that some of them
> don't realize they have it. For those that don't realize yet that they have
> it, I recommend zazen or koan study.
> Or "just stopping the mind" as the old Chinese advised. As I said before:
> 
> "Everyday mind is zen mind" or "Marvelous spiritual power; chopping wood and
> carrying water!" or "If you want to understand zen directly, the normal mind
> is zen mind." And my favorite: "Someone asked Xuedou, 'What is the living
> meaning of zen?' Xuedou said, 'The mountains are high, the oceans are wide.'
> "
> 
> Until you "get it" these things don't seem to make sense and people think
> there must be some deep mystical thing they are missing. After you "get it"
> you realize it was there all along! ;-)
> 
> Artie
> 
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <BillSmart@> wrote:
> >
> > Chris and Artie,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I assume from the context the Sufi use of the term 'beloved' is equivalent
> > to the Zen Buddhist term 'Buddha Nature'.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > What are your thoughts? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of roloro1557
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:56 AM
> > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Rumi -- Jewels of Remembrance
> > 
> > Chris-
> > 
> > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > novelidea8@ wrote:
> > >
> > > What is the beloved to you?
> > 
> > To me "the beloved" is a concept, an idea, and has no meaning at all.
> > There is no reality in it. In other words I don't "believe in" a
> "beloved". 
> 
> 
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