Sufism is probably more pluralistic than other traditions, except Vedanta, which I am not all that famililiar with -- you would have a variey of approaches, since it really holds no Monastic contacts where people are trained, rather they are schools that rise and disappear as needed . . . But there is meditation, talks, interviews, seclusion, vows, chanting, singing, work, dancing, etc . . . but there might be emphasis on some of those and not others. A key feature of Sufism is to address conditioning, worldly, personal, and cultural conditioning . . . so, ritual and meditation could become a form of conditioning . . . A Sufi Master could tell someone to stop doing zazen, or chanting, or what have you. The prescription in Sufism is not a prescription for all. One may meditate while another is told to learn to build violins, to work with his or her hands. One of the keys that many Sufi Masters have used is to 'be in the world but not of the world'. So Sufism has a great emphasis on working with your present station, which ultimately could lead to the station of no station.
Of course there are degraded superficial forms of Sufism that are all showy and devotional and people are all obviously spiritual. That is another thing altogether. In fact, most of the Sufi Orders you would find by looking, googling, etc . . . would be degraded forms -- dancing, whirling, turbans, all that stuff. Interestingly enough, The Gurdjieff Foundation is somewhat modeled on a real Sufi School. That has been my experience best wishes Kirk -----Original Message----- From: ChrisAustinLane <ch...@austin-lane.net> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com> Cc: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Sep 16, 2010 6:45 am Subject: Re: [Zen] Rumi -- Jewels of Remembrance So what is Sufi training like? I assume there is no zazen, do they have dharma talks, retreats, interviews, work practise, meal practise? Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:07, "salik888" <novelid...@aol.com> wrote: > Yes, much more . . . it is like Zen Buddhism or Kabbalist or what have you . > . . really goofy on the outside with the commercialization that others were > talking about . . . but about being in the world but not of the world, which > gets you, well everything? > > Freedom > > > best wishes > > Kirk > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane <ch...@...> wrote: >> >> So people are saying that there is more to the Sufi way than the Rumi quote >> calendars at the health food store or the Martian whirling dervishes in Kim >> Stanley Robinson's books? >> >> OK, I am listening. >> >> On Sep 14, 2010 7:10 PM, <billsm...@...> wrote: >> >> >> >> Chris and Artie, >> >> >> >> I assume from the context the Sufi use of the term â€˜belovedâ€™ is >> equivalent >> to the Zen Buddhist term â€˜Buddha Natureâ€™. >> >> >> >> What are your thoughts? â€¦Bill! >> >> >> >> *From:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] *On >> Behalf Of *roloro1557 >> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:56 AM >> >> >> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com >> >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Rumi -- Jewels of Remembrance >> >> >> >> >> >> Chris- >> >> >> >> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, novelidea8@ wrote: >>> >>> What is the beloved to you? >> >> To me "th... >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >> database 5451 (20100914) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >> database 5451 (20100914) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > >