*bows* to Edgar / all,
I've been away for a coupla days, and am 133 messages behind, so my brief
comments on this may be out of place, but here is my thought as I read this...
Perhaps it doesn't matter whether there is, or isn't a "God", or some
super-natural "Force". In the end, it is the insistent debate humans continue
to wage. This belief and psychology is what, I think, will ultimately bring
about the final destruction of life on this earth. Probably doesn't matter what
my karma is, or what deeds I have done, because the world leaders will
ultimately direct the actions as a result of their own beliefs and theology ,
(or lack of same), to thus cause the final showdown predicted in the end
chapter of sacred texts of varying religions.
"We", (hunan), bring about our own unhappiness and destruction, beause, in my
view, there seems to be a desperate need to be right, to find security in a
heavenly parent to protect us, and find comfort in our need for certainty .
Its a paradox. The ultimate oxymoron to me.
What can be done about humanity planning their own destruction? What is so
wrong about agreeing to disagree. Even your statement here, Edgar, is
completely disavowed this week by Robert Thurman, in his radio show, as he
indeed insists that there has always been a belief in several Gods by
Buddhists, including Z/zen-ists. He goes on to say that anyone who states
otherwise is a distortion of the actual history. *sigh*
I have always been a pretty critical person as the daughter of a very critical
parent. But in my old age, I'm learning that there is no such thing as the
truth or even a fact. Its simply one's perception of it.
--- On Thu, 9/16/10, Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net> wrote:
From: Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Can I practise Zen and still believe in God?
Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 4:17 AM
There is certainly immense intelligence embodied in the universe but it is not
the God imagined by Christians. The Christian God as usually thought of is a
delusion and delusions are the antithesis of Zen which deals only with reality
as it actually is. Anyone who believes in the usual Christian God does not know
On Sep 15, 2010, at 11:16 PM, DP wrote:
I have reconciled Zen and my Christian practise, if not beliefs - there seems
to be little contrary to Zen in practising compassion towards others and
showing mercy, which to me are the core of Jesus's teachings. Believing in God
might be another thing, however. From what I understand, Buddhism and Zen do
not deny the existence of God(s) but stress their non-importance to
enlightenment. As long as I do not cling to an image of God (which the
Abrahamic religions actually warn against in their admonition of idolatry) can
I still be open to the presence of some intelligence to the universe? Or is