Hello ED-

I very much agree.

That is why I said to DP:
> I know of nothing in zen that prohibits belief in god/gods. I think it's 
> simply a personal choice. I think belief or non-belief has nothing to do with 
> enlightenment.

And why I said to Edgar:
> I agree with you- but/and:
Sometimes (not always of course) a belief in "god" can actually push a person 
further (like wind in a sail) on the path in unusual and surprising ways ;-) 
Much depends on the person, of course.

And why I said to you:
> I pay very little attention to "cultural media"- I rarely watch television, 
> read magazines or newspapers, listen to commercial radio, etc. I have no 
> interest whatsoever in what my culture tells me I "should think about 
> reality". Or how the culture defines reality. This is why, as I said in an 
> earlier post, I have no interest
in religion or "spiritual movements". To me, what all these things are, are 
someone else's (or the entire culture's) ideas about reality - to me they most 
emphatically ARE NOT reality itself.

Now, I will add that I very much agree with R.H. Blyth (an English zennist and 
philosopher, 1898-1964) in that: 
"My zen is not your zen, a man's zen is not a woman's zen, etc. It is the same, 
yes, but it is different. We must be on our guard against the absolute. We must 
respect the individual." 

I also agree with Jung that:
"By it's very nature, there can be no collective solutions to individual 

To me, this is one of the "great truths" that almost no one is ever willing to 
believe, much less practice: Each of us must find her/his own way. Those of us 
who do know and practice this can maybe hold the lamp for others who are 
seeking, we can make suggestions, we can share our own experiences, and we can 
certainly offer companionship and fellowship to others. But we cannot know what 
is right for someone else, ever. 

Yes, it can be a very slow process, finding one's individual path. But if we 
listen to those who know and practice this, we hear over and over again that it 
is the most rewarding, empowering, and freeing thing they have ever done, that 
the whole process is a wonderful reward in itself. 

Artie :-)

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" <seacrofter...@...> wrote:
> Kirk, Artie and All,
> Depending on one's personality type (among other things,) a person might
> feel more compatible with one path than with another, although in effect
> both paths seek the same goal. 


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