Hi Chris;

I never thought about: "When you swim well, your intelligence is not separate 
from your action".  I suppose I never thought about that because I'm not much 
of an inteligent person. But I'll try to pay attention how real is your 
statement.  Thanks!.

Mayka


--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane <ch...@...> wrote:
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> When you swim well, your intelligence is not separate from your action, but
> indivisible. At that point the things you could think about swimming, things
> you read in books, are not necessary to think. The intelligence is there in
> the action.
> 
> All these words about thoughts vs perceptions seem to have a viewpoint of
> analysis. To analyse without the view point of analysing, you swim, answer
> questions about swimming, give explanations of swimming, all without leaving
> the spot.
> 
> On Oct 4, 2010 6:02 PM, <billsm...@...> wrote:
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> 
>  Edgar,
> 
> As usual I agree with some of what you say but not all.
> 
> The part I agree with is that zen is not anti anything.  I’d say if anything
> it’s anti-attachments.  I myself winced when I sent the post affirming that
> zen is anti-intellectual.  It’s not.
> 
> The part I disagree with you is about the role of intelligence in zen.
> Intelligence is not necessary to realize Buddha Mind, only sensory
> experience.
> 
> Intelligence (rationality) like all illusions can be benign.  The important
> thing is to discard your attachment to intelligence or any other illusion.
> Intelligence can be used, as you have said, to help orient you in the
> beginning - but it is not necessary.  You can gain information about most
> anything with your intelligence â€" like reading books or even listening to
> others talk.
> 
> Intelligence can be used to learn to swim or ride a bike.  You can get a
> general idea of what it is you are supposed to do, but to actually swim you
> have to get into the water or onto the bike and throw the book away.  What
> you have learned using your intelligence might help you then, or it might
> hinder you.  These are functions your body has to learn, not your rational
> mind.
> 
> It’s the same with zen.
> 
> …Bill!
> 
> 
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> *From:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Edgar Owen
> *Sent:* Monday, October 04, 2010 4:53 PM
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> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.
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> Nonsense. Zen is not anti anything except perhaps illusion.
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