Hi Kahty:
Just want to greet you. How very nice to have you back here!.  

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, kahtychen <touc...@...> wrote:
> Greetings, All.
> It's been some time since I've been active on this list. Now is a good time
> to jump back in. Hello familiar faces (Bill! Anthony, Chris, Mayka, JMJM
> ...).
> Interesting questions, Ed.
> Why do some people engage in studying the mind/nature of being/the
> metaphysical and others don't? And by what means to we undertake such
> studies?
> I think that many people are happy-go-lucky, are content and satisfied (or
> simply distracted), and don't tend to connect with questions about the
> nature of being. Then there are those of us who spend lifetimes seeking
> something ... driven by some pain or bliss, or "fracture of being" (not
> "damaged", just containing a kind of chasm).
> I think the more fractured the being, the more intense the experience may be
> desired to stimulate "breakthrough." Some are served by a cramped knee in
> sitting or a psychological surrender to something supernatural, others need
> the extremes of whips and bindings, the isolation of monastic life, or the
> traumas of the ICU. In this context, they are just tools, the cultural
> judgment about the nature of these tools is something else.
> Yogis, zennists, monks, glossolalists, psychotherapy clients, and
> sadomasochists are equally apt to "miss the lesson". From where I sit, pain
> and joy are catalysts, and not so different.
> I find more ease in my life as a result of daily sitting rather than
> retreat. I'm a drama queen, and sesshin provides me all kinds of intense
> experiences for Big Stories, which take a while to come down from. I have
> experienced the heightened sensory awareness that's been mentioned, but I
> dramatize that specialness, too. LOL! I haven't attended many retreats,
> however ... perhaps that too shall pass?
> Whether breakthroughs are the result of the neurochemistry or metaphysical
> forces is not the question of zen or vipassana. Such conjecture is story.
> And stories are what we practice releasing, they are the veil through which
> we glimpse ...
> Regards,
> Kahty
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:00 AM, ED <seacrofter...@...> wrote:
> >
> > A few questions (which may stimulate comments/dialogue) come to mind:
> >
> > (1) In meditation practice, is pain a necessary ingredient for the
> > breakthrough to bliss and ecstasy?
> >
> > (2) Is this phenomenon similar to or identical with the bliss and ecstasy
> > reported by some or many masochists in BDSM practices?
> >
> > (3) Is this experience explainable as a natural process, or does it call
> > for postulating the intervention of supra-natural forces?
> >
> > (4) Are these cycles of pain and bliss a necessary concomitant of the
> > process of realizing one's Buddha Nature?
> >
> > (5) Have Zen masters made any statements concerrning the naturalness or
> > supra-naturalness of 'Buddha Nature'.
> >
> >


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