Mayka -

Nature does not complain, since nature does not have have any attachments to
how things "should be".  Nature neither accepts nor rejects what is.  Nature
just is.


On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>wrote:

>
>
> *Mark:*
> * *
> *Nature, Earth Scream:  This is a metaphor implying the complains of the
> earth made in the hands of human beings.  These complains of  Mother Earth
> manifest themselves in ecologic disasters.  *
> * *
> *Mayka
>
> *--- On *Fri, 22/10/10, Mark Perew <mpe...@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Mark Perew <mpe...@gmail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, 22 October, 2010, 17:44
>
>
>
>  Chris -
> My first wife slept through much of the labor of our first child.  This was
> without medication.  The birth of our third child was the most difficult,
> painful, and traumatic.
> Nature does not subscribe to human rules of damage, loss, and harm.  Nature
> just is.  Nature doesn't scream, it simply is.  Nature has no attachments,
> it simply is. Nature has no goals, no regrets, no ambitions, no sense of
> this human invention of time, no life, no non-life, no death, etc.  Nature
> is.
> On Oct 22, 2010 9:13 AM, "ChrisAustinLane" 
> <ch...@austin-lane.net<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ch...@austin-lane.net>>
> wrote:
> > Natural childbirth of the first child is more close to violent than
> vigorous. Blood sweat and tears, giving your all for something other than
> your self, and a world-changing triumph.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris Austin-Lane
> > Sent from a cell phone
> >
> > On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:31, <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Mayka,
> >>
> >> I was referring to the post below which talked about yelling in pain.
> Maybe violent is a little over-the-top. How about vigorous?
> >>
> >> …Bill!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: 
> >> Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of Maria Lopez
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:37 PM
> >> To: 
> >> Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Subject: RE: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to
> meditation?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bill:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Is it violent?. What I have tried is that every time I'm about of
> getting into the bath, laying my back on the very cold material of the bath
> I emit a very long sound with the syllable "om"letting the breath going out
> through the sound. The sound here doesn't come violent. However , while
> trying to get into the sea for a swim when its waters are still cold it
> makes me Yell very loudly with strange sounds in the awareness of in/out
> fast breathing and fast movements of my both legs jumping as in a water
> marathon reheating my body.. Didn't notice if the breath was violent. I'll
> try to attention to that. But I know that in the beach everyone can hear me
> yelling. That yelling is actually very good because it helps me to cope and
> reheat my body better.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mayka
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 21/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>
> >> Subject: RE: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to
> meditation?
> >> To: 
> >> Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Date: Thursday, 21 October, 2010, 1:52
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Actually yelling is just a violent exhale. It would be followed by a
> violent inhale – gasping for breath.
> >>
> >> This is an excellent breathing technique…Bill!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: 
> >> Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of Maria Lopez
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:03 AM
> >> To: 
> >> Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to
> meditation?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> That sounds terrible Chris. And this is what I meant by reading or
> overhearing about breathing but with no experience at all into that. As a
> woman I should have encouraged her to yell as much as she wanted if that
> would help her to dilate better and cope her pain. I would have hold her
> hand very gentle but very firm and talk to her with reassurance and
> kindnest. LIstening to her voice, to her body.. Being one with her.
> Breathing with her. It's the heart acting as the guide that brings all that
> sensitivity, unity between a patient and a carer, nurse, doctor...I wonder
> if they can make an statistics about the heart too.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mayka
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Wed, 20/10/10, ChrisAustinLane 
> >> <ch...@austin-lane.net<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ch...@austin-lane.net>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: ChrisAustinLane 
> >> <ch...@austin-lane.net<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ch...@austin-lane.net>
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to
> meditation?
> >> To: 
> >> "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com>"
> <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com>
> >
> >> Cc: 
> >> "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com>"
> <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com>
> >
> >> Date: Wednesday, 20 October, 2010, 16:16
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Chris Austin-Lane
> >> Sent from a cell phone
> >>
> >> On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:16, Maria Lopez 
> >> <flordel...@btinternet.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=flordel...@btinternet.com>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > If mindfulness is show in a scientific way the outcome will be a
> disaster
> >>
> >> I have more faith. Scientists are humans, and there has already been
> much suffering relieved by the meditation based therapies described in the
> article. Science is another human activity.
> >>
> >> I agree tho for physically therapies you want a person who does their
> work with grace. Your story reminded me of a nurse that was present while my
> wife was delivering our first born, with out pain meds and therefor rather
> loudly working at labor. At some point the yelling upset the nurse who
> yelled at my wife, "do your relaxing breathing that you learned." despite
> the indubitable power of conscious breathing, it was not a helpful thing to
> yell at that time.
> >>
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