Mayka -

I am seeking how to practice zen, both on the cushion and off.  The question
of "What does the mindful life look like?" is the one for which I seek
answers.  I do sit with a TNH sangha, led by an OI member.


On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Maria Lopez <flordel...@btinternet.com>wrote:

>
>
> *Bill, ED and all:*
> * *
> *Bill wrote:*
> *
> For me the Zen Forum is an e-sangha, somewhere I can go to discuss zen and
> other related subjects with others.
>
> Mayka:*
> *Very glad to hear you say this.  For me this zen forum is the only place
> in which I can express myself openly with no consequences of having done
> so.    And because of that I'm able to express always what is in me with no
> fear or whatsoever.  *
> *In addition,  I find this forum very supportive to myself practise.     I
> really like the variety and mix of different characters participating on
> it.  Each person has a characteristic that is unique to that person.  Heart
> feels taking this posting opportunity  to thank all its participants once
> and again.*
> **
> *What about you ED, Mike, Anthony, Chris, Vincent, Mark...?*
>
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 25/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>*wrote:
>
>
> From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>
> Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
>
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, 25 October, 2010, 5:00
>
>
>  Ed,
>
> To the best of my knowledge the Yahoo! Zen Forum was established by Albert
> Batista in 2002. Al does not participate often now, but has entrusted the
> Moderator's role of the forum to Edgar Owen (who also doesn't now
> participate very often) and me. As part of the Zen Forum Home Page
> description of the forum Al wrote:
>
> “We believe that true Zen is a realization and way of life which may be
> found and practiced anywhere and is not confined within the gates of any
> particular temple or sutra. While many of our members have studied Zen
> formally we are not constrained by any particular teaching and seek to cut
> directly through to reality wherever we may find ourselves.
>
> Thus you will find this group a fun and freewheeling group that brings many
> interesting and diverse perspectives to a serious and sometimes passionate
> discussion of Zen. We welcome all new members at whatever level with an
> interest in Zen and enlightenment to participate. On this group we are all
> students, and all teachers!”
>
> That is as an official answer as I can give you.
>
> Of course each participant may have different reasons for participating in
> this forum, and would therefore have different opinions on what the zen
> forum ‘was about’.
>
> For me the Zen Forum is an e-sangha, somewhere I can go to discuss zen and
> other related subjects with others.
>
> What do you think the Zen Forum is ‘about’?
>
> …Bill!
>
> From: 
> Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:
> Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf
> Of ED
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 9:43 AM
> To: 
> Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen and the Brain
>
>
>
> Bill,
>
> What's the Zen Forum about?
>
> Thanks, ED
>
> --- In 
> Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
> <billsm...@...> wrote:
> >
> Ed,
>
> The one constant theme that runs through your comments below is that
> `prior
> to kensho (glimpsing Buddha Nature) it is okay to engage in intellectual
> activities that you think help you understand zen'.
>
> Zen is not something you can understand. You can form concepts and
> opinions
> about zen, but they are not zen. Any attempt to understand zen at best
> will be unhelpful, and at worst will be misleading and detrimental.
>
> A few posts ago I posted comments that I labeled as `logical'
> and
> `alogical'. The `alogical' comment was actually not
> presented alogically.
> It was a logical presentation of the concept of something alogical.
> Since
> it's relevant here, and since I'd also like to correct that
> error on my
> part, I now present an alogical response to your comments post below. It
> can also be directed at Mike's recent comments on the same subject. It
> is a
> paraphrasing of a story of an excellent alogical response given by an
> historical zen master:
>
> Ed approached Joshu in all earnestness, "I want to practice zen.
> I've read
> many books on zen, meditation and consciousness. I keep up-to-date on
> all
> the latest discoveries in the realm of physiology and psychology that
> relates to zen. Please give me instructions."
>
> Joshu asked, "Have you eaten your lunch yet?"
>
> Ed replied, "Yes I have. I just got up from the table, and I know
> from my
> studies that when I eat my body redirects a large portion of my blood to
> my
> digestive system and that results in decreased ability to concentrate,
> so I
> probably shouldn't sit zazen right now. What do you recommend?"
>
> Joshu replied, "Wash your dishes."
>
> …adapted from JOSHU'S"WASH YOUR BOWLS", Case 7 – THE
> GATELESS GATE
>
> …Bill!
>
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