Hi Ed, Bill,

I just remember reading somewhere, long time ago that Buddha literally means 
the awakened one. If I google the term for definition, I'd probably find 
something like this too (among others), which means that Buddha is the one who 
is awakened instead of direct experience.

So I think I'm going to skip all the definitions and allow this mind to 
perceive whatever is when reading your posts. Sound like a lot more fun :-)

siska
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Ed,

‘One’ does not experience Buddha.

The term ‘Buddha’ and ‘direct experience’ are the same thing.  Buddha is
direct experience.

 ‘One’ (self) is not present.

…Bill!

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Whatever one experiences 'Buddha' to be.
--ED
 
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <billsm...@...> wrote:
>
> Ed,
> 
> Your question: "What on earth is not an illusion?" is what zen is all
about!
> 
> All thoughts and concepts of the discriminating mind (the rational mind
that
> creates dualisms such as self/other, subject/object and makes judgments
such
> as good/bad, right/wrong) are illusions.
> 
> Only direct experience is not illusory. 'Direct' means before the
> experience goes through the discriminating mind and gets processed there
> (filtered, augmented, named, categorized, assigned a value, etc...). Zen
> Buddhism calls this 'Buddha Mind' or 'Buddha Nature'. Joshu called it 'Mu'
> and 'The Oak Tree in the Garden'. Ummon called it 'A Dried Shit-Stick'.
> Gutei just held up his index finger. I call it 'Just THIS!'.
> 
> So I now ask you: What is Buddha?
> 
> ...Bill!



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