> Enlightenment is reached from every day life...

Not: "every day life IS enlightenment"?

siska

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From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
 <chan.j...@gmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:22:01 
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  Indeed, Bill.

If I may add to this very important basics..

The key to "eventually integrate it into everyday life" is NOT after we 
reach kensho or satori, but rather practice to drop our "discriminating 
mind" for all instances occurring at every moment in our daily life.  
And do it with harmonious and compassionate heart.  Meaning to live with 
pure heart without judgment or question or suspicion from our limited 
knowledge or experience.

Then we will be able to realize the wisdom/truth for every occurrence.  
Thus we are able to manage our lives with wisdom.  This is labeled as 
"liberation", or "detachment from all forms".

Sutra stated very clearly, "dharma is everyday life. Enlightenment is 
reached from every day life..."

Thank you for your attention

JMJM
Head Teacher
Order of Buddha Heart

Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
http://www.heartchan.org


On 10/29/2010 3:18 AM, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
>
> Siska,
>
> This is what all zen teaching is about - getting to that state of 'no 
> mind'. Japanese Zen Buddhism has terms for this state. The first 
> 'glimpse' of 'no mind' or 'no self' or 'Buddha Mind' is called 
> 'kensho'. It comes unexpectedly and lasts only a brief time. This may 
> be the experiences you described in your post below.
>
> As you continue zen practice you may experience some very intense 
> versions of this called 'satori'. After kensho and satori your 
> continued zen practice will deepen and lengthen this state, and 
> eventually integrate it into your everyday life (or perhaps its more 
> accurate to say you will integrate your everyday life into Buddha 
> Mind. Eventually you can even re-integrate intellectualizations in 
> Buddha Mind.
>
> How do you do this?, you asked. As I said above, this is what zen 
> teaching is about. The direct answer to your question is zazen. More 
> indirect methods are koan study, chanting, bowing, washing dishes, 
> mowing the lawn...anything done with your full attention and focus can 
> be your zen practice and can lead to this state.
>
> ...Bill!
>
> From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> 
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> <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Siska
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 1:02 PM
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for taking time to explain.
>
> > When someone has 'awakened' they are opened up to direct experience. 
> This is done by shutting down your discriminating, rational mind which 
> is usually always busy filtering, augmenting, categorizing, judging, 
> etc... experiences.
>
> My experience so far has been the rational mind can be absence, 
> especially during sitting or other time, but this mostly happens 
> unexpected, out of sudden. I have no idea it can be shut down at will. 
> How do you do that? Will I be able to do that if I do zen meditation?
>
> siska
>
> --- On Thu, 28/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org 
> <mailto:BillSmart%40HHS1963.org> <billsm...@hhs1963.org 
> <mailto:BillSmart%40HHS1963.org>> wrote:
>
> From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <mailto:BillSmart%40HHS1963.org> 
> <billsm...@hhs1963.org <mailto:BillSmart%40HHS1963.org>>
> Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, 28 October, 2010, 7:31
>
> Siska,
>
> I purposefully did not jump right in and answer your question about 
> Buddha. I knew there'd be plenty of others who would respond to that. 
> But, your comments in the attached post prompt me to respond.
>
> Buddha does mean 'the awakened one' in Sanskrit - at least that's what 
> I've been told. It's also a title when used in someone's name - like 
> Siddhartha Gautama Buddha.
>
> When someone has 'awakened' they are opened up to direct experience. 
> This is done by shutting down your discriminating, rational mind which 
> is usually always busy filtering, augmenting, categorizing, judging, 
> etc... experiences. The 'awakening' part would be akin to someone who 
> has been living in a dream (samsara, a world of illusions) but has now 
> awakened.
>
> ...Bill!
>
> From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> 
> [mailto:Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of siska_...@yahoo.com 
> <mailto:siska_cen%40yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:03 PM
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine
>
> Hi Ed, Bill,
>
> I just remember reading somewhere, long time ago that Buddha literally 
> means the awakened one. If I google the term for definition, I'd 
> probably find something like this too (among others), which means that 
> Buddha is the one who is awakened instead of direct experience.
>
> So I think I'm going to skip all the definitions and allow this mind 
> to perceive whatever is when reading your posts. Sound like a lot more 
> fun :-)
>
> siska
> ________________________________________
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> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 10:25:33 +0700
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> Subject: RE: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine
>
> Ed,
>
> ‘One’ does not experience Buddha.
>
> The term ‘Buddha’ and ‘direct experience’ are the same thing. Buddha is
> direct experience.
>
> ‘One’ (self) is not present.
>
> …Bill!
>
> From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> 
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> <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> Of ED
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:03 AM
> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Zen] Zen, Self, I, Me and Mine
>
> Whatever one experiences 'Buddha' to be.
> --ED
>
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, 
> <billsm...@...> wrote:
> >
> > Ed,
> >
> > Your question: "What on earth is not an illusion?" is what zen is all
> about!
> >
> > All thoughts and concepts of the discriminating mind (the rational mind
> that
> > creates dualisms such as self/other, subject/object and makes judgments
> such
> > as good/bad, right/wrong) are illusions.
> >
> > Only direct experience is not illusory. 'Direct' means before the
> > experience goes through the discriminating mind and gets processed there
> > (filtered, augmented, named, categorized, assigned a value, etc...). Zen
> > Buddhism calls this 'Buddha Mind' or 'Buddha Nature'. Joshu called 
> it 'Mu'
> > and 'The Oak Tree in the Garden'. Ummon called it 'A Dried Shit-Stick'.
> > Gutei just held up his index finger. I call it 'Just THIS!'.
> >
> > So I now ask you: What is Buddha?
> >
> > ...Bill!
>
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