You're welcome ED. I don't always explain properly myself either. Besides
there is not always consistency between my words and volatile energies.
--- On Fri, 5/11/10, ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question
Date: Friday, 5 November, 2010, 2:24
I am sorry about that. The contents and the intent of my questions are not
clearly stated, and so I withdraw the questions. I am quite certain this issue
will raise its head again in the near future.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez <flordel...@...> wrote:
> Wouldn't be more practical and much more of a shortcut looking into yourself
> and see what is there?. Why do you want to know what is in me and not what
> is in you?.
> I don't understand very well your question: "is that how you actually
> experience yourself or is it a conception or an act of faith"? It sounds a
> nonsense question. kind of entanglement of words and concepts. This is what
> one gets when depends upon the wikipedia dictionary and other definitions
> sources but not as much as within resources. Repeating what you hear won't
> do the trick either.
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordeloto@ wrote:
> > Thanks for clarification Chris. Definetely in that respect all in me too is
> > a massive illusion. --M
> M, is that how you actually experience yourself or is it a conception or an
> act of faith? --E
> > I meant my idea of myself, especially as having some spiritual
> > significance, is not reality. --C
> Conceptions are just conceptions, conjured up by the discursiveÂ mind. One
> would be deluded to *believe* them to be 'true' or 'not true'. --E
> > I'm not an illusion. The only thing that is an illusion is the nonsense in
> > me. --M
> Do you *really* experience the nonsense in you as 'illusory'? What about the
> good in you? Is it illusory too? --E
> > Aren't we all! --C
> We may or mayÂ not experience ourselves and/orÂ others as illusory.
> For the over 99.9999%, stating that they themselves or others are illusory
> are acts of faith. --E
> > Bill Smart himself is also an illusion. Don't atttach any spiritual
> > significant. --A
> Wouldn't it be illusory to *believe* you if we didn't experience Bill that
> way? --E