Anthony,

Issan is indeed a Thai dialect.  It's kind of a blend of Thai and Lao.

It's obvious that Chinese is the major contributor to the Thai ethnic mix.  
Their culture, written language, traditional dress, etc..., seems to also have 
a lot of Indian qualities.  And physically I think the people that look the 
closest to Thais are Filipinos.  In fact several times my wife was approached 
by Filipinos while we were waiting for a flight who thought she was Filipino 
also.

...Bill!   

From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Wu
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 11:42 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

  
Bill,

It does not matter whether 'ha' is a dialect or a standard word, though it is 
in the textbook. My point is to stress the same root shared by Thais and 
Chinese Hans. More than 4 thousand years ago, in north China, there were 3 
emperors, the Yellow Emperor, the White Emperor and Ciyou. The latter was the 
strongest and defeated the other two repeatedly. But eventually the two united 
and prevailed over Ciyou. Then he had to flee southward to spread his 
descendents in southern provinces. A group of offspring are now the Thais. You 
can imagine how many wives Ciyou had to take to produce such a big number of 
people?

Anthony

--- On Sun, 14/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote:

From: billsm...@hhs1963.org <billsm...@hhs1963.org>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 14 November, 2010, 11:44 AM
  
Anthony,

You surprise me! Your Thai is very good, and you even used the word ‘ha’ for 
‘look for’. That’s an Issan word. That's my area of Thailand. The Bangkok Thai 
word would be ‘pope’ as in ‘discover’.

…Bill!

From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anthony Wu
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:36 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas

ED/Lluis,

Thai should definitely be moved closer to Chinese. They are so similar.

You can ask Bill. Most westerners in the beginning are bewildered by a sentence:

Mi khon ma ha khun (have man come look-for you, meaning somebody is here to see 
you. In Chinese, there are exactly five same words: you ren lai zhao ni).

Japanese and Koreans are outstanding in Asia. There are inflections in their 
verbs and adjectives. Maybe they are related with Hungarians and Finnish.

Anthony

--- On Sun, 14/11/10, ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 14 November, 2010, 5:33 AM


Hi Lluis,
'Uralic' and 'Indo-European' are clasified as related but separate families of 
languages. See chart below.
With best wishes,
--ED

http://www.friesian.com/trees.htm
Language Affinities Beween Autochthonous Populations
The second tree below essentially takes the first one but draws the tree over 
again using language rather than genetic affinities. What is of interest are 
the similarities to the first tree, indicating that human languages, which 
certainly antedate the 300,000 year mark (see Derek Bickerton, Language and 
Species [University of Chicago Press, 1990]), may also have a common origin in 
Africa itself. Many of the higher order groupings, however, as discussed above, 
are rather speculative. The theory of the "Nostratic" languages, which combines 
Afro-Asiatic (Hamito-Semitic), Indo-European, Ural-Altaic, Dravidian, and 
American Indian languages, is really the most dramatic but also may have the 
most credible evidence in common vocabulary items and systematic phonetic 
relationships. The grouping of Chinese with Basque, which otherwise seems 
unrelated to any other languages, seems more than a little bizarre but, if 
true, would be evidence of population movements and distribution prior to the 
early historical presence of Indo-European speakers across northern Europe and 
Asia. I have never seen explanations of the actual evidence for the 
Basque-Chinese connection. 

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Lluís Mendieta <lme...@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Ed
> 
> Well, I am at lost in what you mind
> 
> I understand that they are westerners, as we are, even being indo-european.. 
> (so, roots in east).
> But all that is dualistic....and not zen (or at least, deceiving) :-)
> 
> With best wishes
> 
> Lluís

Hi Lluis,
> "Finnish is the eponymous member of the Finno-Ugric language family and is 
> typologically between fusional and agglutinative languages. It modifies and 
> inflects the forms of nouns, adjectives, pronouns, numerals and verbs, 
> depending on their roles in the sentence.
> 
> Finnish is a member of the Baltic-Finnic subgroup of the Finno-Ugric group of 
> languages which in turn is a member of the Uralic family of languages. The 
> Baltic-Finnic subgroup also includes Estonian and other minority languages 
> spoken around the Baltic Sea.
> 
> The Finns are more genetically similar to their Indo-European speaking 
> neighbors than to the speakers of the geographically close Finno-Ugric 
> language, Sami. It has been argued that a native Finnic-speaking population 
> therefore absorbed northward migrating Indo-European speakers who adopted the 
> Finnic language, giving rise to the modern Finns."
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_language
>Wist best wishes, 
> --ED

> Hi, Bill
> 
> I beg to differ in two non zen questions
> -Hungry? has the subject implicit. You do not place it, but it is implied.
> The werb in spanish or catalan would be also implicit, so, I suppose same in 
> english.
> 
> -finnish is a westerner language. And they have a lot of words to design the 
> relationship within family.
> 
> With best wishes
> 
> Lluís

> Anthony,
> 
> I know Thai's drop subject and sometimes even object all the time, but I
> thought it was just because they, like Westerners, are lazy.
> 
> For example, I could ask you: `Are you hungry?', or I could just ask by
> saying: `Hungry?' (with a rising tone). That's just laziness, or being
> casual in your speech.
> 
> I do think language does reveal the different values of culture. For
> example in Thai there are only 3 tenses: past, present and future; whereas
> there are many, many adjectives and pronouns that are used to specifically
> identify the speaker's relationship with the one addressed. In English
> there are many (27?) verb tenses and very few special pronouns. This I
> think shows that Westerner's value time more than Asians; whereas Asians put
> more importance on personal relationships than time.
> 
> ...Bill!

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