ED,
 
I would like to acclaim your words of wisdom(not joking). When are you going to 
publish your Guide to Teacher-student Relationships? You can ask Dalai Lama to 
edit it when he is in a humorous mood. If he lost his sense of humor for the 
time being, don't let him touch your book.
 
BTW, you are influenced by Tibetan theory of grades starting from 
hinayan-mahayana-tantrayana. I think that leads to very likely sexuality that 
cannot be helped.
 
Anthony

--- On Thu, 18/11/10, ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: ED <seacrofter...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Zen] The Teacher-Student Relationship: Genpo Roshi & Andrew Cohen
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 18 November, 2010, 10:50 PM


  





Kristy,
Each comment I make concerning the teacher-student relationship does *not* 
necessarily apply to all. Here are some comments:
You must be at least 21 years of age, and be willing  to be accountable to 
yourself for *all* your choices and all that happens to you, before engaging in 
spiritual training with a teacher.
You must make yourelf aware of the teacher's traditions, teaching style and 
recommended practices, and check the Internet about his reputation.
You must feel that you have something to learn from your teacher.
You must explore and discuss with others any uneasy feelings you have about 
your teacher.
You must feel inspired by your teacher.
You must hold on tight to your wallet/purse and your pants/panties, if that 
feels right for you.
Who they *really* are and all their foibles are irrelevant if you are learning 
and growing by being with them.
Take whatever of his/her teachings that you like and can assimilate, and ignore 
the rest.
Be particularly careful if you have a 'powerful' or 'famous' teacher, and if 
you know yourself to be or you have been told that you are a 
psychologically/emotionally vulnerable person.
If perplexed, one can look for a local zendo, preferebly with an East Asian 
roshi, whom you feel good about, and join the sangha, practice zazen, listen to 
teishos and read what the teacher recommends. One must not engage in sexual 
relations with the teacher. 
At all times study and practice Theravadin buddhist texts.
--ED
PS1: I have not studied Genpo Roshi's current teaching and practices 
sufficiently. My educated or uneducated guess is that it is 20% zen and 80% 
psychological/human-potential-movement-like  (20% 'tough love',  20% est-like,  
40% 'voice dialog'.)
PS2: The teachers mentioned at the end of your message I think are well 
grounded in Hinayana Buddhism's introspection, ethics and morality. Without an 
*aboslute* minimum of 5 to 10 years of Theravadin buddhist practice, 
Mahayana-and-beyond buddhist teachings/practice (and zen too) are being built 
on sandy ground.
 
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain <healthypl...@...> wrote:
>
> Ed,
>  
> So do you have a comment about this?
>  
> To amplify my comment to Bill.  When I watched Gempo say  this to  a student, 
> I do not believe he was saying this in such a way as to confront the student 
> with his own reality, a.k.a. "tough love".
>  Gempo was visably irritated, and his body language, tone of voice and entire 
>behavior indicated that he, himself,  had simply lost control.  
As for Andrew Cohen,  frankly-- I cannot understand this guy.  He can talk 
non-stop for hours.  My ears hurt when  starts rambling on and on with what I 
perceive as psycho-spiritual-intelli-babble.  Hailed as brilliant,  I cannot 
understand most of what he says.
>  
> I do understand the point of this video, but I can't see Jack Kornfield, TNH, 
> Cheryl Hubbard and so on, behaving this way.  But perhaps it is also telling 
> to note that this is a teaching style I avoided as not right for  me.
>  
> Kristy
 
> >  The Teacher-Student Relationship: Genpo Roshi & Andrew Cohen 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VsnVFVF2Xs  (8:44)

 






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